Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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We'll obviously no. The point is unlike some incidents we have seen in the US it didn't turn into a free for all firing fest. The other officers on site WERE using restraint. This to me shows that it may not be a matter of the training but the decision process of one officer. That is the distiction I was making to the poster who was blaming the entire force for this.
This isn't siding with the cop in question fugi. Judging from the information we have at the moment charges should be laid. Perhaps more will come to light later to change my opinion on this. But I'll wait for the official findings.
And I won't tar and feather the entire force for one cops mistake.
There is a proposal floating that only senior police officers should carry firearms. Sergeant level and up. Could issue them to other officers on the scene if necessary.
Perhaps some officers cannot be trusted with them.
It only takes one overzealous hotheadv SBS someone dies. Presumably the more senior officers bring the wisdom and experience to defuse the situation if possible.
Perhaps some officers cannot be trusted with them.
It only takes one overzealous hotheadv SBS someone dies. Presumably the more senior officers bring the wisdom and experience to defuse the situation if possible.
Precisely. I'd like to hear the original video/audio tape again. It would appear to me so far from what I've seen and heard that the subject officer could have made other decisions to control an already contained situation. Sincerely, Jon .
I think errors were made before he pulled the trigger. Instead of standing his ground yelling drop the knife and uttering ultimatums he could have backed off to a safe distance and taken a less confrontational tone.
But having made those mistakes he may have been correct to fire when the victim stepped forward.
Like others I find the six subsequent shots troubling. The guy was on the ground, he wasn't going to do any running from that position. Even if he wasn't compliant he was no longer an immediate threat.
I agree. However, based on a version of the video I've seen( tonight on the CBC News at 6:00 pm and the follow up interview with the individual that can be seen backing up with his bike used as a shield for protection as he exited the streetcar) and the manner of how the other passangers exited the streetcar made it seem reasonable to me that this young fellow could very well have been a dangerous nut job capable of using serious random violence against innocent people. So, we'll have to wait and see what else becomes available and what, if anything any additional suveillance cameras might show- and what the SIU releases. Sincerely, Jon .
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the police should have packed up and left. There's no doubt that he needed to be stopped. The only question is how.
Had the police backed off from the streetcar to a safe distance they could have spent more time talking and less time shooting. Maybe he would have come out of the streetcar and wound up being shot anyway--but maybe he would have stayed in there until he calmed down.
What made it a lethal situation was the cop standing so close to the entrance of the streetcar that the victim was able to threaten them with a knife from there. That was the mistake. There were lots of cops present, they could have created a perimeter further back out of knife range (say, 30 feet back).
Which video shows him " attempting to run down the stairs at Police " and " start to walk down the stairs "?
They could have blocked the streetcar doorway so the kid couldn't get out
http://globalnews.ca/news/751568/watch-former-police-officer-analyzes-streetcar-shooting-video/
If the victim was an imminent threat, then police training would have required at least a dozen other police officers to behave differently. Instead, we know that only one officer fired his gun. How many had their weapons drawn? If the victim was an imminent threat, every officer at the front door would have been required to draw their weapon or act to secure the scene. But that's not what happened. One, standing next to the subject officer, is said to have her arms crossed, such was the imminent threat. (I can't make that out on the video, so please correct me if those reports are incorrect.)
At no time did the victim "lunge" at the officers, and I don't know how many of you have ever descended stairs, but to do it quickly and then be able to attack someone who is five to ten feet away from the stairs, while you only have one hand to balance with, takes some doing. A superior (higher up) position is an advantage if you have a gun, or if your opponent has to meet you half-way up, but becomes isolating if you have a three-inch blade: you can't hold it low enough to maintain the level of threat.
At no time did the victim "lunge" at the officers, and I don't know how many of you have ever descended stairs, but to do it quickly and then be able to attack someone who is five to ten feet away from the stairs, while you only have one hand to balance with, takes some doing. A superior (higher up) position is an advantage if you have a gun, or if your opponent has to meet you half-way up, but becomes isolating if you have a three-inch blade: you can't hold it low enough to maintain the level of threat.
I wont call him a leech .. but yea .. when I have a bad day I yell, punch the wall .. maybe even stomp my feet ... but I don't think I ever wanted to go on a bus and pull it out telling everyone to get off or they will die.... so if you bad day sounds like that then .......
Lol .. yea good idea Cnd-Guy .. let the cops stand in front of the door where the guy is holding the knife and make sure he doesn't get out to harm other people.... read that sentence again and please edit ..
By definition, "Nut Cases" don't act rationally so it is not likely they are now going to "all come out of the woodwork" because police MAY not execute them at the appearance of any possible risky behaviour. Nut Cases dont come out to negoatiate, they come out because they have lost control of reality.
But Toronto Police have sent a strong message to nut jobs far and wide to not walk around a streetcar with a knife and your dick out!
I just hit the [LIKE] button ...
All those who think the cops shouldn't shoot people that threaten with knives will regret when the Toronto Coppers get "training" to de-escalate situations verbally and these guys start killing people on the streets.
Yes because this kid didnt realize that it wasnt a good idea!
Kinda fucks up my plans for today then... <Schlong coils up his penis and stuffs it back down his baggy pants>
Hey .. nothing wrong with the penis part ... thats why were on this site anyways talking about the news right ? =) ..
