Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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Again, if you can afford to try taking a chance on just wounding him, then I think you should not be shooting at all. He is either an immediate and critical threat to someone's life -- in which case, you can't take any chances, he needs to go down -- or else you have time to try more sober and reserved methods of getting him under control.
If the police DO need to take a controlled shot, as you suggest, they can call in the Emergency Task Force and let them do it with a scoped rifle fired by someone trained in precision shooting.
Sammy was brandishing a knife and calling cops fucking pussies while the cops ordered him to drop the knife. Seems to me that Sammy was prepared to leave this world. And he did. Where is the injustice?
*polishes crystal ball* The shooter will sit on his ass for 3 years ( with pay) and then he will get off without any punishment ( except losing his job perhaps)....that is the real crime. Wanna get away with murder? .... become a police officer.
Sure , he will say he panicked, but come on, he had a dozen armed officers as back up when he made that ultimatum . Thank God there was a video.
Sure , he will say he panicked, but come on, he had a dozen armed officers as back up when he made that ultimatum . Thank God there was a video.
I just love it that the right wing gun toting street justice enthusiasts (on and off this forum) have painted the cops a group of terrorized victims unable to defend themselves mean looking kids or elderly unarmed citizens who are in a grouchy mood. Just because they out number a contained threat or there is video of the summary execution of kid that could be taken down by a simple tazer - is no reason to forget that these men have a badge and are licensed to kill anyone who pisses them off. .I just love it that the bleeding hearts (on and off this forum) have painted the cops a group of gun slinging thugs, opening fire at poor innocents on their way to Sunday school and Choir practice.:hand:
The cops job is to serve and protect.
The way I see it, a knife wielding lunatic was prevented from harming anyone.
:hand:The cops job is to serve and protect and protect applies to themselves - certainly not the people that they serve.
**** I couldn't resist - there are just as many extreme right wing fanatics that seem much more comfortable in police state with roving death squads. The verdict and sentencing without due process is okay as long as the source of the verdict wears a police badge.
Manitoba cops had a guy confined in a bus who beheaded a passenger & eating body parts yet they took him alive without injury. TO cops vastly outnumbering a teenager who harmed no one contained on a streetcar - end up shooting him 9 times - before tasering him ?
That is where the middle of the road guys like myself realize there is a serious problem.
You this it is ok for cops to shoot people who insult them? You think if you get drunk one night and act like an ass it's ok if the cops kill you. You are a bigger danger as a drunk driver then this kid was. Do you think drunk drivers who are mouthy should be shot on the spot?
IM469, I do not question that you are a middle of the road guy. However may I politely point out that by using the terms "right wing gun toting street justice enthusiasts" and railing against "extreme right wing fanatics", as you do in your post, to describe those posters who support the police services of a democratically-elected government, you do not successfully portray yourself as a "middle of the road" guy. Your message is lost in the rhetoric.I just love it that the right wing gun toting street justice enthusiasts (on and off this forum) have painted the cops a group of terrorized victims unable to defend themselves mean looking kids or elderly unarmed citizens who are in a grouchy mood. Just because they out number a contained threat or there is video of the summary execution of kid that could be taken down by a simple tazer - is no reason to forget that these men have a badge and are licensed to kill anyone who pisses them off. .
The cops job is to serve and protect and protect applies to themselves - certainly not the people that they serve.
**** I couldn't resist - there are just as many extreme right wing fanatics that seem much more comfortable in police state with roving death squads. The verdict and sentencing without due process is okay as long as the source of the verdict wears a police badge.
Manitoba cops had a guy confined in a bus who beheaded a passenger & eating body parts yet they took him alive without injury. TO cops vastly outnumbering a teenager who harmed no one contained on a streetcar - end up shooting him 9 times - before tasering him ?
That is where the middle of the road guys like myself realize there is a serious problem.
The cop should be charged with 2nd degree murder IMHO. In either case, he should never again be allowed to carry a fire arm or be involved in law enforcement.
1. The moment anyone picks up a knife or gun for the purpose of using it as a weapon they subject themselves to being killed.
2. Today's police need to look towards de-escalting rather than escalating situations. While they may have the right to shoot and kill citizens, they should do so as a last resort, not the first.
This cop's life will be forever changed and he will live in a constant hell for many years to come. Had he simply asked everyone to back away from the streetcar, things would have been better for everyone.
2. Today's police need to look towards de-escalting rather than escalating situations. While they may have the right to shoot and kill citizens, they should do so as a last resort, not the first.
This cop's life will be forever changed and he will live in a constant hell for many years to come. Had he simply asked everyone to back away from the streetcar, things would have been better for everyone.
Perp was a waste of sperm and a future drain on society. The cost of 9 bullets is enough.
I was plagiarizing the quote in my post "I just love it that the bleeding hearts (on and off this forum) have painted the cops a group of gun slinging thugs, opening fire at poor innocents on their way to Sunday school and Choir practice" with the opposite viewpoint as satire ... I guess it was a little too oblique.
I've seen SWAT team videos where one deranged guy who had a young lady hostage with his gun to her neck got his hand gun shot out by a sniper (incredible but true).
However, I don't know if I'd want to be wounded by a high-velocity rifle bullet.
Tasers incapacitate. Why not a shot to a leg or arm if it might knock out a knife from a hand? Not feasible even at close range?
It is not training that is lacking. We need "more training" is an excuse.
Leadership is lacking.
Front line police officers need to respect their Chief and Association leaders, who in turn need to emphasize that de-escalation is the goal, not escalation.
Indeed, protect yourself. It is a fine line, not a big fat wide one wherein all the cop has to do is shout "DROP YOUR WEAPON, STOP RESISTING" etc etc to create a justification to empty his clip into a live target.
I personally know of several cops who are just itching for an excuse to drop a scumbag. What does that make them if they are anxious to take a life themselves?
i think we can acknowledge by now that when a police officer shoots, it's to kill. so, next step. did he need to shoot? doesn't appear so at all. there has been suggestions that this was suicide-by-cop. seems likely given the young mans life situation. unless he left a note, this is just wild speculation. so why'd the officer shoot? we'll never know but my thought is his adrenaline was off-the-scale and he made a bad mistake. who was in-charge? looked like nobody. the police force has lots to fix. i doubt if Chief Blair after his G20 lie is the one to do it.
that shouting is getting ridiculous. everybody knows it's fake. and it just dis-orients mental people. it's part of the cover-our-ass principle.
Simpleton thinking.
This shooting will cost the city and province (taxpayers like you and I) MILLIONS of dollars in investigations, paid time off, wrongful death lawsuit defence (and likely settlement) and so on and so on.
But if you like the idea of someone judging and executing a citizen with nine bullets, just hope that that someone doesn't consider "John's" who fuck one of the thousands of 19 year old prostitute daughters, as a "perp who was a waste of sperm and a predator of society".
You or I could be next...
Worse, it is often a pre-meditated action intended to justify the violence that is about to ensue.
Ah, I didn't recall that quote from the earlier post. In that instance, your post is funny!
So when he goes down and is laid incapacitated and not a threat, do you pump six more rounds into him?
