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Dougal Short

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Every once in a while, something happens that causes me to lose a bit more of my privacy...

This week, my employer changed to a "Google Managed Account" for our mail server, calendar and various other features. This was considered a "mandatory" change and with email there really isn't much choice.

As soon as a user signs on for the first time, he needs to agree to the terms which basically say that the administrator (i.e. employer) will have access to essentially everything that runs through that browser when you are signed in... so email, (fair enough, since it's work) but also contacts, calendar, browsing history, bookmarks etc. It took me about .25 seconds to object to this. I work from home and into the evenings frequently so I am very likely answering client emails and playing on Terb at the same time... Something that is none of my employers business.

I don't think most browsers allow you to be signed in to multiple accounts at the same time, so I am now running two browsers... Chrome for work and Firefox for everything else.

Over the next couple of days, I will also be separating my contacts into two separate files (work and otherwise) and I refuse to share my calendar. (I work on straight commission and how I choose to spend my time is nobody's business but mine.) My department head has already commented that my calendar is barren (we were obliged to share them for scheduling meetings, vacations etc.) but I'll be damned if I am sharing my "real" calendar. I told him he should feel free to add meetings and so on to it, and he responded that he wouldn't know when I was free... I told him I would let him know.

I know that a lot of you in big companies are used to this, but I'm not. And it bugs me. While I trust the owner of this company, he recently hired a new CEO and that isn't the case with him... I used to own my own business but sold them to this company as a pre-retirement move.

I see this as one more step towards employers being in our personal business.

Along the same lines, my son was interviewing for a job in Vancouver three weeks ago, and was asked for his "Facebook Name". He asked how that was relevant to him performing the duties he was being considered for, and was promptly advised that the interview was over. That's just wrong. I suggested he create a new "employer friendly" FB page but he was way ahead of me. The funny part is that he hardly even uses FB and anything on there is harmless.... None the less he decided he didn't want to work for a company like that so no harm done...
 

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Here is another thing to worry about. It appears that doctors are using the Internet to share information on medical cases under the guise that it is to seek more professional opinions and to share medical knowledge. Don't be surprised if pics of your 22" cock are being circulated in the medical community with the risk that it might leak to the broader community.
 

Mr Bret

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Question for Dougal - who owns the computer yo use for work? That may be a determining factor in how much say they have about how it's used.

Comment for Rockslinger - if you have a 22" cock, pictures of it would already be all over the internet.
 

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Every once in a while, something happens that causes me to lose a bit more of my privacy...

This week, my employer changed to a "Google Managed Account" for our mail server, calendar and various other features. This was considered a "mandatory" change and with email there really isn't much choice.

As soon as a user signs on for the first time, he needs to agree to the terms which basically say that the administrator (i.e. employer) will have access to essentially everything that runs through that browser when you are signed in... so email, (fair enough, since it's work) but also contacts, calendar, browsing history, bookmarks etc. It took me about .25 seconds to object to this. I work from home and into the evenings frequently so I am very likely answering client emails and playing on Terb at the same time... Something that is none of my employers business.

I don't think most browsers allow you to be signed in to multiple accounts at the same time, so I am now running two browsers... Chrome for work and Firefox for everything else.

Over the next couple of days, I will also be separating my contacts into two separate files (work and otherwise) and I refuse to share my calendar. (I work on straight commission and how I choose to spend my time is nobody's business but mine.) My department head has already commented that my calendar is barren (we were obliged to share them for scheduling meetings, vacations etc.) but I'll be damned if I am sharing my "real" calendar. I told him he should feel free to add meetings and so on to it, and he responded that he wouldn't know when I was free... I told him I would let him know.

I know that a lot of you in big companies are used to this, but I'm not. And it bugs me. While I trust the owner of this company, he recently hired a new CEO and that isn't the case with him... I used to own my own business but sold them to this company as a pre-retirement move.

I see this as one more step towards employers being in our personal business.

Along the same lines, my son was interviewing for a job in Vancouver three weeks ago, and was asked for his "Facebook Name". He asked how that was relevant to him performing the duties he was being considered for, and was promptly advised that the interview was over. That's just wrong. I suggested he create a new "employer friendly" FB page but he was way ahead of me. The funny part is that he hardly even uses FB and anything on there is harmless.... None the less he decided he didn't want to work for a company like that so no harm done...
That's insane. I agree with you and your son 100%.
 

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Our slowly eroding "privacy" is one of my biggest concerns in this society. I could go on...
 

Dougal Short

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Question for Dougal - who owns the computer yo use for work? That may be a determining factor in how much say they have about how it's used.
Get a separate PC or Mac for personal use.

That's the only safe way IMO
To answer you, Mr. Bret... both. I work primarily out of the office. I have a small office in Toronto, and there is a laptop there for my use. I also access our company estimating and finance systems through this computer. My primary computer is this one... my own Mac.

To respond to your comment Blue Pill... You are actually stating the common misconception... With the company wanting to move everything to the cloud, there really isn't much of anything stored on either of "my" computers. It's all associated with the Google account, which is controlled by the company.
 

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You have raised a clever son.
 

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As soon as a user signs on for the first time, he needs to agree to the terms which basically say that the administrator (i.e. employer) will have access to essentially everything that runs through that browser when you are signed in... so email, (fair enough, since it's work) but also contacts, calendar, browsing history, bookmarks etc.
I wonder how many people agree to the terms without actually reading them...

When at work I check my Allison email from my phone and avoid connecting to their wifi. I don't know if I am being too cautious but better safe than sorry.
 

Adam_hadam

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Get a separate PC or Mac for personal use.

That's the only safe way IMO
Hey Dougal, this is the only way to go. With the price of laptops/desktops (remember them?) I would get 3 systems: work, home "business" and home "fool around". Back in the old days, there were swappable hard drives, the only problem was you had to shut dow, swap the hd, reboot. Such a waste of time!
 

Dougal Short

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Isn't that overkill? As suggested, I run Chrome for work and Firefox for personal. As long as I'm careful how I log in, that should do it. (I was intending to do this anyway since I also like to stay logged in to a personal Gmail account and you can't log into two Gmail accounts at the some time, without "connecting" them...
 

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I wonder how many people agree to the terms without actually reading them...

When at work I check my Allison email from my phone and avoid connecting to their wifi. I don't know if I am being too cautious but better safe than sorry.
Not paranoid at all. Any data that happens to pass through the company networking hardware is up for grabs.

Many companies use automated systems to detect black-listed sites using stuff like Barracuda (https://www.barracuda.com).

You don't have to worry about some nerd watching your every move on company networking hardware, you have to worry about some third party.

In some places - the LCBO comes to mind - they've got parts of the networking security outsourced so that nobody *inside* the LCBO even know what data is being monitored.

So - things you can do to make your privacy better :

Assuming your goal is to bypass the content controls and monitoring by your employer:

1. If you can - use FoxyProxy. I use it with Firefox, but it does work with Chrome and IE. I just don't trust Chrome or IE at all. :)

2. Make sure you enable DNS lookups over the proxy layer.

3. If you can, use a VPN instead of a proxy server as all your traffic can be encrypted in the VPN. There are reasonably cheap VPN solutions available, or if you have a friendly neighborhood nerd, they can actually install a VPN server into your router at home using something like this (http://www.dd-wrt.com/). Then you can just run VPN connections into your home computer.

An alternative to getting a full blown separate computer is to just run something like VMWare as your alternate machine.
 

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Get a separate PC or Mac for personal use.

That's the only safe way IMO
+1

*NEVER* use the same computer for work and for personal surfing. In these days of super cheap netbooks and smartphones that have excellent browsers there is just no excuse for it. Maybe 10 years ago there were reasons to try and hide from the employer's sniffer--but not today. You can have your own device with your own internet connection from anywhere there's a mobile phone signal and what you do with it will be absolutely none of your employers business and it will be entirely beyond their reach.

There are just too many risks trying to mix work and personal stuff. Even if you figure out some clever way to "isolate" your browsing, and even if you cleverly evade network sniffers with VPNs, one day you will screw it up. You will type "terb" into the wrong window. You will accidentally cut and paste something embarrassing into an IM window. You will forward some porn instead of a report by accident. Whatever it is, it will be career limiting and humiliating.

If you're at work browse on your smartphone. If you are at home, use a personal laptop. Problem solved.

I remember those days 10 years ago when I used to hide my surfing, I was always paranoid. Since I got a smart phone--sooooo much better! A couple weeks back my laptop died, and it was a really good feeling to be able to hand the thing over to our IT group asking for them to fix it, fully secure and confident that there was absolutely fucking nothing on that laptop that could embarrass me, because I *never* use that laptop for anything but work. They could scour it forensically from top to bottom and they would discover I am the poster boy for following acceptable use guidelines--meanwhile I'm on terb all day from my mobile phone.
 

oldjones

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Use a different browser for work.

Anyone can see my Facebook profile... and what they see is what I allow them to... unless they are a "friend", they see my name and profile pic... nothing more.

As an employer, when any resume crosses my desk, I usually check them out on facebook via name / email address and run a search on google with that info... it is not applicable to the job... what is posted a lot of the time says a lot about character and education.

Also... there was an article in the news this morning that basically said that employees working from home who know they are being monitored (interned activities / keystrokes) are usually more productive employees
None of that is really any different from pre-computer and internet days. If you left personal stuff in your desk, used the company's telephone and time for personal stuff, or it's mail facilities to run your football charity, you eventually got noticed, possibly disciplined, or even fired, Hopefully you learned to keep the two parts of your life better separated, if you cared about your privacy. Or just wanted to do your thing your way without attention.

The FaceBook thing is the new wrinkle: The assumption that everyone is on it, and that it is a useful and informative open door for employers/investigators/curious acquaintances to learn who youreally are creates pressure not just to be private (not be on it at all, or only in the most minimal way) but to fake up some 'acceptable' front to make the right personal impression and avoid suspicion of secretiveness, is somewhat different from just dressing and acting to fit into the crowd. Most of us manage that without really thinking and certainly without consciously crafting public persona to avoid notice. But that is what that almost blank FaceBook page is doing, and it invites the next step: Filling the blanks with … . What to call them, 'lies' is such an ugly word, isn't it?

Of course you can be naively confident that no harm could come to you from splashing intimaye details of your life around servers from Utah to Ulan Bator, but then you likely wouldn't be posting on TERB.
 

SirWanker

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Isn't that overkill? As suggested, I run Chrome for work and Firefox for personal. As long as I'm careful how I log in, that should do it. (I was intending to do this anyway since I also like to stay logged in to a personal Gmail account and you can't log into two Gmail accounts at the some time, without "connecting" them...
yes you can as long as your second gmail session is with a browser operating in private/incognito/inprivate mode.
 

Dougal Short

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yes you can as long as your second gmail session is with a browser operating in private/incognito/inprivate mode.
And it is... And this is my own personal computer remember. Presumably there is no way that they can see what I am doing on my dougal@gmail account, from afar. They will never have access to this computer...
 
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