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If you think QR codes are a bad joke then consider NFC. Near Field Communications’ evangelists have been trying to get smartphone owners to share stuff by bumping and grinding their phones for years. And progress has been painful, to put it mildly. The reality is NFC is an ugly wasteland of non-use. Ever seen anyone IRL tapping their phones together? Or tapping on an NFC tag or reader? It’s about as rare as hen’s teeth.

Granted NFC is used in some countries as a payment solution but as a general, catch-all system for close data transfer, it’s a dud. The latest setback for the NFC-pushers’ cause comes courtesy of Apple. During Monday’s WWDC keynote, Tim Cook & Co. were cracking jokes at the tech’s expense as they previewed a feature coming in iOS 7 that does the job of NFC without any of the awkwardness of NFC. It’s a classic Apple move to eschew complexity and avoid technology-based redundancy (see also: wireless charging).

It also suggests Apple is in zero hurry to add NFC to its devices. So no NFC in the iPhone 5S then. Instead, it’s adding AirDrop to iOS 7, which uses peer-to-peer Wi-Fi to allow content to be shared to nearby iOS 7 devices without having to physically tap anything together. Or, as Apple’s SVP of software engineering Craig Federighi, put it — whilst miming said NFC-induced social awkwardness — “No need to wander around the room bumping your phone.”

Of course there is a snag: Apple’s AirDrop is limited to sharing between iOS 7 devices, so it’s not an open pipeline. Still, neither is NFC — since sharing using that transfer tech means both people have to have NFC-enabled devices. It’s also worth flagging that Apple’s support for a standard can be the tipping point for the industry to coalesce around a particular technology (e.g. USB, or helping to kick Flash in favour of HTML5). Add to that there are other Wi-Fi sharing apps for iOS that work across Apple and Windows (e.g. Filedrop) and use a Wi-Fi pipe for the transfer. No NFC required.

Apple often talks about how the things it chooses not to do are as defining as the things it does. Well Apple doesn’t do NFC. And that speaks volumes. Don’t forget, NFC is not new. It’s been kicking around in phones since forever. And Apple still reckons it sucks. AirDrop isn’t the only example of Cupertino deliberately eschewing NFC, either: The Passbook ticketing and loyalty card hub introduced in iOS 6 uses visual barcode scanning to deliver its discounts. The phone owner calls up the barcode on their device and the retailer scans it with a barcode reader. NFC? Not a bit of it.

Another of NFC’s myriad problems — i.e. in addition to actually needing its users to act out the physical transfer themselves – is there’s no emollient term to oil the wheels of its use, especially in the commerce space. Want to use NFC on your phone to pay for something? Asking the cashier ‘can I tap that?’ just sounds euphemistic. Falling back on miming the action is the most elegant of the various inelegant options here. It’s another instance of the social awkwardness of NFC.

Just going ahead and trying to tap phone to reader won’t necessarily work either since some NFC POS terminals need to be switched on specifically to conduct the contactless transaction. Before even getting to that point, of course, the phone owner also has to have figured out they are looking at an NFC-enabled terminal. Some resemble standard POS terminals so wanting to pay by NFC means hunting for a ‘pay by contactless’ sign, or asking if NFC can be used at that outlet.

All these barriers to contactless entry fatally erode its convenience… at least for now. Sure it might one day provide a slick way for phones to be used to pay for stuff — but that requires NFC readers to be everywhere. Which they certainly aren’t yet, despite all the hype and cash poured into the space over the past five+ years. And sure, NFC technology can work well in more simple use-cases. London’s Oyster travelcard ticketing system uses NFC to replace paper tickets, for instance. But really, if the best you can say of NFC is that it’s a bit more convenient than paper, that’s not saying an awful lot.

Shortcutting settings or grabbing content was another use-case envisaged by the NFC pushers. Phone owners would be tapping their devices to NFC tags stuck on movie posters to get content downloaded to their handsets, or be sent to a URL to watch a film trailer (an idea which has been kicking around since the turn of the century, I might add). This sounds like exactly the sort of not-IRL scenario that gets dreamt up in marketing departments. If that’s the best you’ve got NFC, you need to try a lot harder. And an NFC tag for pre-setting an in-car phone profile? Oh pleeease.

It’s fittingly ironic that NFC is termed a ‘contactless’ technology when its proximity requirements necessitate physical contact — or at least getting so close it’s academic. ‘NFC: irritatingly invading your personal space’ doesn’t sound quite so handy does it?

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I started a thread a couple of months ago asking if anyone had completed a transaction with NFC - not a single peep.....

There is no viable wallet standard as of yet - some rumors say that Apple will put a finger print sensor in a phone, that would provide the authentication necessary to secure transactions - that and 500m credit cards on file would give them a leg up on all competition.

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bottie will 'zing ya good' ....when he gets done creating some fresh arts & charts do debunk your attacks!!!


Learnt that in business school he did!.....:eyebrows:
 

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I started a thread a couple of months ago asking if anyone had completed a transaction with NFC - not a single peep.....
You either never looked at or acknowledged the answer. Anybody who has used a smart contactless credit and/or debit card is using NFC (if you had a modern NFC equipped phone - you can actually read these cards).
Anywhere you see :


You are looking at an NFC device. If you don't have NFC capability - your device will never be able to run the software to compete transactions. If you have the iPhone 5 - the only way you will get a bagel in a Tim Hortons in the future is if you give him your phone. (After you show him your nifty fingerprint app on it).
 

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It also suggests Apple is in zero hurry to add NFC to its devices. So no NFC in the iPhone 5S then. Instead, it’s adding AirDrop to iOS 7, which uses peer-to-peer Wi-Fi to allow content to be shared to nearby iOS 7 devices without having to physically tap anything together. Or, as Apple’s SVP of software engineering Craig Federighi, put it — whilst miming said NFC-induced social awkwardness — No need to wander around the room bumping your phone.”
Wow, I think this fish swallowed the whole hook ! Sad, so sad ..... does it ever occur to you that Apple makes up excuses because it is easier than actually engineering solutions ?

Samsung already utilizes WiFi peer-to-peer transfers (I guess Apple liked the idea and stole it... well they hope to steal it soon). The touching of phones is the easiest way to give a picture or a file to another person. It is so simple because it is an action that identifies a phone and secures permission to send a file.

Today ... right now and capable for over one year .... if I want to share photos instantly with other Samsung devices at a party - we can call up a menu of other Samsung devices in our area and send a request to share photos. This Wi-Fi peer -to-peer capability shares every picture that we are all taking at an event automatically. This is the same AND ONLY METHOD Apple is proposing to share content between iPhones. BTW: Most of my friends have all left iPhone and moved on so whether Note or Galaxy - the majority have Samsung and can use this feature - now)

The touching of phones (NFC) to share pages, etc is an Android feature. Samsung used this method to to identify a target phone & get permission to set up a Wi-Fi peer to peer connection. There is no easier set up for a transfer yet apple mocks it (as do their loyal lap dogs) preferring a longer tedious method also currently in use by Samsung !

#1, is it possible for you to climb out of the toilet and try a Samsung device to find out why so many of us have moved on ? The plus side is that you may actually make sense in your posts instead of quoting Apple gibberish and it will give you a chance to practice using the iOS7 features while you wait for Apple to introduce it. BTW: You don't have to touch phones to transfer data ... you could still call up menus and look for the other device .. if the owner of the other phone hasn't got bored waiting and moved on) :D
 

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You either never looked at or acknowledged the answer. Anybody who has used a smart contactless credit and/or debit card is using NFC (if you had a modern NFC equipped phone - you can actually read these cards).
Anywhere you see :


You are looking at an NFC device. If you don't have NFC capability - your device will never be able to run the software to compete transactions. If you have the iPhone 5 - the only way you will get a bagel in a Tim Hortons in the future is if you give him your phone. (After you show him your nifty fingerprint app on it).
How many transactions have you completed with your NFC phone?

I didn't think so.

I'm not questioning the technology just it's payments relevance in smartphones.... Which is minimal to non-existent
 

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How many transactions have you completed with your NFC phone?

I didn't think so.

I'm not questioning the technology just it's payments relevance in smartphones.... Which is minimal to non-existent
It hasn't been fully implemented. Don't dismiss a technology currently in use in many other countries (and if your memory doesn't hurt from dozens of Canadian articles written about Rogers & CIBC roll out plans posted on your last thread) because your favorite company has yet to figure put how to implement it.

You would have been great before the roll out of digital TV. OMB theory 2010 .... Why do TV's have digital tuners - there are no digital stations ... has anyone ever tuned a digital station ... anybody ??? I'm buying my Apple analog TV tuner because digital tuners will not happen. And ,2013, anyone ignoring the future now has to buy new equipment.



Luckily if you own Android, Blackberry or Windows - you don't have to resist the future because our manufacturers have the foresight to embrace it.
 

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bottie is a fanboi accustomed to putting the best spin possible on playing catch up.....:eyebrows:
 

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It hasn't been fully implemented. Don't dismiss a technology currently in use in many other countries (and if your memory doesn't hurt from dozens of Canadian articles written about Rogers & CIBC roll out plans posted on your last thread) because your favorite company has yet to figure put how to implement it.

You would have been great before the roll out of digital TV. OMB theory 2010 .... Why do TV's have digital tuners - there are no digital stations ... has anyone ever tuned a digital station ... anybody ??? I'm buying my Apple analog TV tuner because digital tuners will not happen. And ,2013, anyone ignoring the future now has to buy new equipment.



Luckily if you own Android, Blackberry or Windows - you don't have to resist the future because our manufacturers have the foresight to embrace it.
So, how many NFC transactions have you processed on your smartphone with Rogers or CIBC?
 

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So, how many NFC transactions have you processed on your smartphone with Rogers or CIBC?
You really are a one trick pony bottie!!!.....:D

Had Apple embraced this new NFC technology, you would be crowing about how 'cutting edge' Apple is.
But since Apple dropped the ball on this one, all you and your fuzzy numbers clone, have left is to aimlessly obfuscate away.....:eyebrows:
 

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I only know one person who has used NFC (he made a purchase at a fast food restaurant using Google Wallet). I for one would love to be able to make payments using only my phone and just have a card holder for my ID and debit/credit cards just in case. I just don't think people are ready for it yet. Also, most people don't fully understand what NFC is. For example, I saw a MasterCard PayPass at a store once and asked the store owner if he thinks NFC will gain traction with consumers and he didn't even know that it utilizes NFC technology.

Also, as far as AirDrop goes, it's been something that most hardcore Mac users have wanted for a long time. It's nothing revolutionary, but it will be something that I know I'll personally enjoy the convenience of.
 

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So, how many NFC transactions have you processed on your smartphone with Rogers or CIBC?
How many TV channels did you tune in before the entire spectrum switched to digital ? Everyone knew they were coming - all the new TV's for the last few years built the tuners - at least those capable of designing them.

You seem to cling to a rather flimsy excuse the ignores the progress happening around you in order to justify the absence of new technology in an old favorite product. Not to overload your one dimensional perspective but NFC is in use now in a lot of other features including setting, file transfers, etc .. and those I've been doing while Apple still makes excuses for the lack of functionality.
 

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How many TV channels did you tune in before the entire spectrum switched to digital ? Everyone knew they were coming - all the new TV's for the last few years built the tuners - at least those capable of designing them.

You seem to cling to a rather flimsy excuse the ignores the progress happening around you in order to justify the absence of new technology in an old favorite product. Not to overload your one dimensional perspective but NFC is in use now in a lot of other features including setting, file transfers, etc .. and those I've been doing while Apple still makes excuses for the lack of functionality.
Have you lost your ability to read?

I'm not questioning the technology just it's payments relevance in smartphones.... Which is minimal to non-existent
I think we can agree that someday it might be relevant for smartphone payments, today not so much.

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I have used NFC on a daily basis for several months with my tec tiles. extremely convenient!!
I also use NFC for easily pairing with blutooth devices and have used tap to share with friends..
As soon as Google Wallet is available in Canada I will also use my phone for daily purchases using NFC.

so overall it's a feature i now would hate to do without.


Apple thinks peer to peer wifi is a big feature????? seriously? lmao
 
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It's like Déjà Vu All Over again!!!

Could this be a redux of the 'Flash' debacle Apple had awhile back???.....:eyebrows:
 

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Could this be a redux of the 'Flash' debacle Apple had awhile back???.....:eyebrows:
Exactly like that, where no one really used flash on mobile devices, the experience was terrible and eventually Jobs would vindicated in his decision and Adobe withdrew the product....

Except in this case I think at some point Apple will support NFC for payments - along with their own wallet, and at that point the market will take off....

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I have used NFC on a daily basis for several months with my tec tiles. extremely convenient!!
I also use NFC for easily pairing with blutooth devices and have used tap to share with friends..
As soon as Google Wallet is available in Canada I will also use my phone for daily purchases using NFC.
So, to put it more succinctly, the answer to OTB's question is "no".
 

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So, to put it more succinctly, the answer to OTB's question is "no".
There is a lot of windage on this thread (and others) about all the ancillary use of NFC but really no one uses it for payments on a smartphone.....

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Some people like gimmicks.
I don't think NFC is a gimmick, but from a mobile payments perspective it's not ready for prime-time. Nothing to do with the wireless standard (that's the easy part) but with the authentication and mobile wallet. Also, if you look at the very low mobile transactions on the Android platform vs iOS it's not surprising that this user segment has not caused the market to reach critical mass.

Like the tablet market, it will take a fully thought out strategy from Apple to kick-start adoption.
 
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