Texas Says It's OK to Shoot & Kill an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You!
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Would have liked to read her add, to see if it was clear he was going to get sex if he paid her, but sadly if someone steals from you, in Texas you are allowed to use deadly force, but only if it's at night. Stupid Stupid law, at the very least if you are involved in a criminal activiy you should not be protected by the law. Theft is bad, but killing someone is much, much worse, even more so as she was paralyzed for several months before passing away.
Exactly!!!
Here's how this is handled in NY and many other US States.....
Texass IS an aberation.....
Watertown police arrest two on prostitution charges
Watertown city police charged Keva L. Shenk, 23, of 629 Lillian St., Apt. 2, at 4:33 p.m. Friday in the 600 block of Lillian Street with one count of prostitution and one count of petit larceny.
She is accused of agreeing to have sex with Christopher J. Young, 29, of 202 Raquette Road, Potsdam, for $120 in cash. Police said she then stole the money from Mr. Young.
She was sent to the Metro-Jefferson Public Safety Building, processed and released on $500 police bail. She is due to appear in Watertown City Court.
Mr. Young was charged with third-degree patronizing a prostitute at 4:33 p.m. in the 100 block of Lillian St.
Police said he paid Ms. Shenk $120 with the understanding that he would receive sex in exchange.
He was sent to the Metro-Jefferson Public Safety Building, where he was processed and released with an appearance ticket for arraignment in Watertown City Court.
pretty much the exact same thing can be said for our laws in the opposite direction. for example if its the middle of the winter and someone breaks into your house to steal from you. as they are walking out of your house carrying your TV, they slip on your unsalted and ice covered walkway and die. you can technically now be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
we are talking about 2 sides to the same coin.
You and Rob Ford must be smoking the same sh?t together for too long. Both your brains were cooked. No point to waste time arguing with idiots.
Tragic. In the months following the incident, she was paralyzed and had plenty of time to think about her attempted robbery before she died. I suspect she wished she could have done things differently.
He didn't intend to shoot her. Yet at the most basic level, it's like inviting somebody into your home and they try to walk out with some of your furniture or your cell phone. Nobody should die for that, but nobody should be going into peoples' homes and stealing property, and have the audacity to do it directly in front of the property owner without expecting something bad to happen.
He didn't intend to shoot her. Yet at the most basic level, it's like inviting somebody into your home and they try to walk out with some of your furniture or your cell phone. Nobody should die for that, but nobody should be going into peoples' homes and stealing property, and have the audacity to do it directly in front of the property owner without expecting something bad to happen.
Even if she is a prostitute? Us prostitutes are providing a service just like any other woman/person, so you may probably want to rephrase to 'Even if she is a thief' which is the real issue.
Also, you let her go because you feared police taking her side? What would you have done otherwise?
Also, you let her go because you feared police taking her side? What would you have done otherwise?
A contract dispute should never be considered "theft". And that's what this is -- a disagreement over terms of service in an implied contract. So... if I think my plumber agreed to replace the drywall he had to remove while repairing a broken pipe, and he thinks that's extra and not included in our implied contract, I can shoot him so long as the sun has gone down?!?! I mean how is it any different-- "he was leaving with my money even though he didn't finish the work".
This aside from the fact that it is just incredibly stupid that you can EVER use lethal force to shoot someone who is not in any way threatening you.
Texas law is just nuts.
Well said Isabella. In my early hobby days I had two SPs show up who said no sex. My fault for not doing research. Both times I sent them on their way with the gift. Lesson learned-do your research. I had a B&S show up once. I offered her $40 for gas money and asked her to leave and she refused. I told her if she did not leave I would call the police. She thought I was bluffing. I called and she left. I called the police back and said the unwanted party had left. It would have been interesting if she hadn't, but...
Regardless, there's no need for violence.
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The issue is not about service delivery or lack of it.......the beauty of showcasing how the conservative mind .....'functions'......:thumb:
Point is she WAS his property, he 'rented', for X alloted amount of time.
She didn't deliver what was expected, so he blew her away!!!....
SURELY a Law & Order, type would see that!!!
However you seem to be thinking like a pimp, here!.....
the issue is, SHE STOLE HIS MONEY, DURING THE NIGHT, and he is allowed to shoot.
remember...Ignorance of the law is not a DEFENCE....in this case it works both ways. SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
If the gentlemen could get her into small claims court after the fact to attempt to get his money back, you could argue about the legal merits of the implied contract between both parties. But once an escort is out of sight, she is out of your life, thus making legal recourse impossible. Your take on the event is purely academic. In the real world, if I ask a stranger (whose real name I don't even know) to go to the convenience store to buy milk for me and I hand over $10 and tell her she can keep the change, I don't call it a breach of contract if she runs off with my $10 without buying my milk. I say she stole my $10.
Even Texans can be right occasionally ...
The death penalty for "cash and dash" isn't a bad idea...:thumb:
The death penalty for "cash and dash" isn't a bad idea...:thumb:
I'm afraid technically mahovalich is right.
And what a weird law, you can shoot someone at night, but not during the day. I have a feeling this goes back to 18th century US puritan Christian laws:
He had enough contact information to call her in the first place, and he gave her the money willingly. As in the milk example, there is a contract, so if there is any criminal breach it's more of an example of fraud (deception to get money) than theft. If you think the escort intentionally lied to get money, that is not theft.
Obviously the Texas legal system did not have the benefit of Fuji's superior legal brain to distinguish between breech of contract, fraud and theft. I'm sure Canada would lend him to the US for a short period as long as he is back in time to rewrite the laws on destroying evidence for both the Liberals and Ford.
Yeah, this has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with robbery.
It would be the same if she took off with his TV
It's hard to make coherent discussion of case with so few facts. According to http://www.salon.com/2013/06/06/texas_man_acquitted_in_craiglist_escort_murder/ article the guy paid $150 for 30 min. He claims she left after 20 minutes where she simply walked around the apt. Her 'partner' who booked her appts and took a cut of her earnings testified that she usually only hung out and danced for the session (no guarantee of sex). No sex for $ can be promised in the US. In my experience the working girls name a fee, show up and then request additional tips for additional services. No one will know what happened as the girl could not testify. Perhaps the guy was 'grabby' during the dance and aggressive than I can see the girl leaving early. And perhaps the booker/pimp/driver should have screened the call better? He claimed at trial that none of his girls had sex on the clock or they would be fired. Who knows? I would love to see how much the guy's cut was on a $150 call. And whether she could have simply given the money back to the client on the call or if the 'booker' would have still demanded his cut for driving, booking, advertising. She was a single mother and god knows how it would feel to be in the hole financially due to a bad call. It was Christmas Eve at 4am when she was killed. Call me a sucker but I go sentimental in thinking of the girl getting money for gifts under the tree. It is amazing how the guy cleaned up his look since his booking arrest pic http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-man-ez...g-craigslist-escort-lenora-ivie-frago-1295593 to his appearance at trial http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php I got to admit I'm surprised at the reaction of the SPs in this thread. The guy had guns [plural] and used an assault rifle to shoot at her car four times to try to keep her from leaving. Your spidey sense does not tell you that maybe he was not the peachiest client? http://www.ksat.com/news/accused-ki...ters/-/478452/20261676/-/t7go3pz/-/index.html I tend the think the jury sided with the 'john' simply because the john was white while the victim was in the sex trade and Hispanic (therefore disposable). Given the prosecutors star witness was a pimp it isn't surprising that the case fell apart. But shiate. I would not want to be a female and live in Texas let alone work in the sex trade.
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To my mind it is theft, and apparently also to a jury of my Texan peers.
Do you hobby? "Contact information"? By that you mean a phone number.
