Senior Fatah Officials Call For One State Solution.

[basketcase]

...(though you won't call them that, they have to be 'arabs'), ...

You mean besides that was what they have been called since 1948? The term 'Palestinian' to describe only the Arab inhabitants of the region developed later.


And as has been said before, the Palestinians don't want to be part of that one state. That's why it won't work.

 

[nottyboi]

Its a non-starter of an idea with slightly less chance than reestablishing the Holy Roman Empire within the next 30 years.

There will be one state someday. Maybe not in our lifetimes, and definitely not until rivers of blood have flowed. But one state is a complete certainty.

 

[onthebottom]

If you look at the poll I linked, 70% of Palestinians don't want a one state solution. I don't see why you expect that to change.

Only option.

OTB

 

[Aardvark154]

There will be one state someday. Maybe not in our lifetimes, and definitely not until rivers of blood have flowed. But one state is a complete certainty.

Which merely sounds like another way of saying someday the Arab states will manage to destroy Israel.
It doesn't sound quite so much a moral crusade when put that bluntly does it now.

 

[basketcase]

Only option.

OTB

The only option most people see is a two state solution. All that needs to happen is convince Israelis they will be safe if they give up control and convince Palestinians that Israelis need to be allowed to be. Yes that sounds one sided but I have seen nothing from any Palestinian leaders that impress me and I have repeatedly seen weak Israeli support for settlements. Unfortunately any moderate Palestinians are damaged by decades of Palestinian teachings that there can be no compromise.

 

[basketcase]

Which merely sounds like another way of saying someday the Arab states will manage to destroy Israel.
....

As said in the other thread, at least he's honest with his hopes.

 

[nottyboi]

Which merely sounds like another way of saying someday the Arab states will manage to destroy Israel.
It doesn't sound quite so much a moral crusade when put that bluntly does it now.

Sadly, it will probably go down that way..either that or Israel will disintegrate from within. Ideally they would evolve away from a Jewish state to a completely secular state but a gradual transition is very unlikely.

 

[fuji]

Aren't you the one that argues that Israel is a democratic state with equal rights for all races within one country?
Since it works with the Palestinians there (though you won't call them that, they have to be 'arabs'), why can't it work throughout all of Israel and the occupied territories?

I do think the Palestinians should set up a democracy that respects the rights of all.

If they do that, and make it work, the argument that they could merge with Israel would be both less ridiculous and also less relevant. A free and democratic Palestine likely would not be at war.

However the actual Palestinian regime is instead racist, violent, terrorist, and dictatorial. Their differences from Israel are not only religious, but also differences over the value is democracy, freedom, the rule of law, and human rights.

Until the Palestinians adopt Western democratic principles and spend a generation or two making that part of their culture the idea of letting murderous militias carry out massacres all over Israel while dismantling democracy is a non starter.

 

[groggy]

I do think the Palestinians should set up a democracy that respects the rights of all.

That would be pointless while they are still controlled by a racist occupier.
No, the best solution is for all of Israel and the occupied territories to become one democratic state with equal rights for all.
If it works for Israel, it can work for the occupied territories as well.

 

[fuji]

No, that would only be the best solution if you are a sicko holding out hope that all the Jews could still be slaughtered.

Until the Palestinians renounce terror and atrocity, until they demonstrate that they are culturally committed to peace, democracy, equality, the rule of law, and human rights the topic is irrelevant.

Israel is not going to commit suicide.

 

[groggy]

No, that would only be the best solution if you are a sicko holding out hope that all the Jews could still be slaughtered.

That is just your paranoia acting up again, you really should get it checked out, and in the meantime do the world some good and turn in your gun collection.
Equal rights and democracy are the best solutions to ending all the strife and violence.

 

[fuji]

Yeah just my paranoia, what was I thinking. There was no 1947 racist war of aggression against Jews launched by Palestinians. The surrounding Arab nations have not ruthlessly ethnically cleansed their entire Jewish populatoins. It is not the stated goal of multiple Palestinian militant organizations. They have not been waging campaigns of terror and atrocity against Jews.

Did you manage to keep a straight face while posting that bullshit?

It's a tough problem for you isn't it. On the one hand, you agree wholeheartedly that Jews should be killed and/or purged from the Middle East. On the other hand you know that if you go about stating that openly and honestly that nobody will support your cause. So you pretend that the Palestinians are peace loving democrats who would never harm a fly -- but then the actual historical record is there, making you out to be a liar.

 

[groggy]

Yeah just my paranoia, what was I thinking. There was no 1947 racist war of aggression against Jews launched by Palestinians. The surrounding Arab nations have not ruthlessly ethnically cleansed their entire Jewish populatoins. It is not the stated goal of multiple Palestinian militant organizations. They have not been waging campaigns of terror and atrocity against Jews.

Did you manage to keep a straight face while posting that bullshit?
.

See, your paranoia is just getting worse.
We all know that the zionist movement started all the aggression through its policies of colonization and ethnic cleansing, including trying to woo Jewish immigration into Israel, even at the cost of Jewish lives.
Shall we discuss the Levon affair?

But we do know that the Palestinians can and will live peacefully if given equal rights, as Israel has proven with its 'arab' population.
You do still think that Israel has been a success that way, don't you?

 

[basketcase]

That would be pointless while they are still controlled by a racist occupier....

This is grog trying to excuse atrocious actions from Palestinians.

 

[basketcase]

...
Equal rights and democracy are the best solutions to ending all the strife and violence.

So why do Palestinians widely oppose giving Jews equal rights in a democracy?

Remember that (the latest) Palestinian polling has 70% opposed to one state with equal rights.

 

[basketcase]

...
We all know that the zionist movement started all the aggression through its policies of colonization and ethnic cleansing, including trying to woo Jewish immigration into Israel, even at the cost of Jewish lives....

The typical revisionist history. Jews legally immigrating to Ottoman Palestine and legally buying land in Ottoman Palestine from Arabs is somehow an act of aggression.

 

[fuji]

We all know that the zionist movement started all the aggression through its policies of colonization and ethnic cleansing, including trying to woo Jewish immigration into Israel, even at the cost of Jewish lives.

No, that is just your neonazi hate talk

Try facts instead of hate. Facts like the Palestinians were the ones who launched the 1947 war of aggression to ethnically cleanse Jews from the territory.

Now that they have lost that war you are trying to blame their intended victims.

 

[exceed]

including trying to woo Jewish immigration into Israel,

Except if you're a black jew then you will be treated by sterilize as a welcome bonus

 

[fuji]

Except if you're a black jew then you will be treated by sterilize as a welcome bonus

Nope. You are exaggerating and misrepresenting a story for hateful propaganda reasons.

Do you know how the Ethiopians got to Israel by the way?

They faced a genocide in their country, they had been forced into Jewish camps, and the camps were under increasing military threat. They were going to be massacred. Nobody helped. Nobody cared.

Nobody but Israel. Israel diverted all available El Al and IDF aircraft and staged one of the largest air evacuations in history, if not the largest, sending plane after plane after plane, and got them all out of there.

So I think they know they are welcomed, despite the difficulties in integrating a largely poor and illiterate population.

 

[groggy]

Nope. You are exaggerating and misrepresenting a story for hateful propaganda reasons.

Oh, oh, get ready for Fuji to call yet another newspaper liars.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel