If they go the nordic route I'm out. Too much risk for me. The cops would love this kind of low risk sting operation to buff their arrest records.......
Review of the documentary 'Buying Sex'
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But outcalls from reputable agencies should work fine under the nordic model though, should they not?
No, not at all. The nordic model is that the man gets arrested anytime he tries to pay a woman for sex. The woman can be an escort or an undercover cop. Either way the man gets arrested.
Every current agency would targeted. Men (who don't want their pictures in the newspaper) would be too scared to call.
I understand the theory but in a practical level how are you going to enforce it? If the agency is reputable presumably the escort is not a cop and you can book safely.
What they would have to do I guess would be going after all agencies for living off the avails. Then you would have nowhere to book from except indies. Reputable indies then would hire drivers which would drive the prices up about 10-30%. Seeking arrangement.com would make shitload of money. It would not be the end of the world but it would be the end of the world as we knew it.
My belief is that the best way to fight any of this is to provide evidence that the implementation of the Nordic model would be unjust or that it would be missing the point. This is one of the motivations behind the Sex, Safety and Security project which came about as a result of the Johns' Voice study. We have made a lot of progress with LE and community groups in BC by being able to bring to the table actual evidence that general stings and blanket regulation/legislation does not actually address the 'problems' that have been identified as being associated with prostitution. Many sex worker/sellers and sex industry organizations recognize the importance of having the voices of people who pay for sex represented if positive chances for the sex industry are to occur and they have really supported both of these projects. For me it is pretty simple, members of the sex buying community have to step up and be included if anything is to be done.
I am not sure what their point is but if it is to make people engage into traditional relationships and work on them or suffer from absence of sex then the Nordic model is not a bad way to get there.
At this point I'd have to pay for a hotel as well. Not worth it to me. As well as leaving the trail on the CC to be found(yes I know I can secure it and pay cash, I've also seen accidents where a hotel charge went on a card and shouldn't have). Like I said not worth the hoop jumping just to get a bit of side action. A hobby is supposed to be fun, not a black ops!
I wouldn't go that far.....I still get cilivian tail when I go on vacation without the SO. It would just curtail my hobby time at home. Actually with the money saved I could be looking at more weekends away!
Living off the avails is currently illegal, so they could go after the agencies now if they wanted. It's really a question of how vigourously current laws are enforced. The Nordic model would just criminalize more aspects of an industry that's already effectively illegal here, so it's hard to see how simply adopting the stupid Swedish / Norwegian / Icelandic model as law would really change anything.
Only time will tell. Who would have thought that Americans would legalize marijuana (albeit not everywhere yet)?
It's just usually nothing gets better.
Say Harper does go for the Nordic solution, and buying sex becomes illegal.
The agency just sets up the meeting between myself and the escort, and doesn't guarantee any particular thing happening. I hire the escort for company through the agency. If we have sex as a result of meeting, that isn't what I paid for.
Perhaps the thing to do would be to have a contract that the SP could "sign" stating that the fee is just for time, and anything else that happens is purely voluntary. (if she won't tell me her real name, she can sign as anyone, and I won't know the difference. If she signs as someone other than who she is for the purpose of a sting, that couldn't be legal, right?) Then I ask "can we have sex?" She says yes, off we go, totally legal. Perhaps such a form would be something that a reliable agency could provide as part of the service.
Any legal minds have opinions?
How about telling the judge that you thought you were just buying baking soda?
Well, if I follow your fine legal logic, you suggest that this approach would be like having the dealer sign a paper saying that whatever I had bought was guaranteed to be baking soda, and I was not willing to accept anything other than baking soda for the payment I was making. Then the dealer decides to turn me in, and the baking soda turns out to be something illegal . It was an illegal drug. So I tell the judge that I honestly thought it was baking soda. So I am absolutely caught in possession of an illegal drug, and am claiming ignorance. And also expecting to get off. In this example, I wouldn't think it would work. Possessing an illegal drug is illegal, no matter how stupid I may be. I'm going down.
Having sex, however, is not in itself illegal, and it won't ever be. So if I pay for time, and have a contract to that effect, the sex act that we might decide to perform is simply sex, and is not what I paid for. That is a different argument. Is an escort from an established agency that was willing to provide the signed document I am requesting going to turn me in? I think not. who else could catch me? I do outcalls to my home. I probably don't even need the contract....
I think it works, and is in fact how agencies are legal - they contract time, not the act.
So any other opinions?
