Assata Shakur - First Female Placed On FBI Most Wanted Terrorist List

[yung_dood]

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/fbi-doubles-/51828e26fe3444064600024b

Wow this is proof that the USA government is trying to silence all dissent, as they also have the arrogance to double the bounty.

Charges against Assata were all trumped up and there is very weak evidence against her. The establishment is totally corrupt here, anyone who reads the trial transcripts of this case and about the counter intelligence operation of the FBI can see this.

Not to mention that she's a black activist.

 

[fun-guy]

I don't know this case, but just from reading a bit on this, Assata was convicted of murdering a state trooper, execution style, 40 years ago and went to jail. She escaped from jail and fled the country, has been on the lamb since. Why do you think the FBI is arrogant by doubling a bounty? They've done this before with others.

What does being a black activist have to do with your argument, there numerous black activists who live in the US and don't flee the country.

What's your real point you're trying to make? You think the jurors made a mistake? So you think the establishment is totally corrupt?

 

[yung_dood]

I don't know this case, but just from reading a bit on this, Assata was convicted of murdering a state trooper, execution style, 40 years ago and went to jail. She escaped from jail and fled the country, has been on the lamb since. Why do you think the FBI is arrogant by doubling a bounty? They've done this before with others.

What does being a black activist have to do with your argument, there numerous black activists who live in the US and don't flee the country.

What's your real point you're trying to make? You think the jurors made a mistake? So you think the establishment is totally corrupt?

My point is that the US government has been trying to hammer out a message in very recent times to silence dissent. The abuse of police on occupy, the NDAA, CISPA etc....Every credible scholar has been saying this for quite some time, which is why they don't get on the mainstream.

You don't find it ironic that out of all people she's been labelled a domestic terrorist? She was convicted at a time when the police were totally corrupt and considered every black activist a threat to national security. The CIA and the FBI did surveillance on civil rights groups. The USA gives political asylum to many people that are considered terrorist in plenty other countries. This move is nothing more than another message to that entails "staying in line". Not to mention the weak evidence against her.

For those that say she should come back to fight the charges, its obvious she wouldn't get a fair trial as she'd have to start from being already convicted and for those that know anything about American law, this is a serious disadvantage since there are many innocent people sitting in jail with convictions because the legal system won't hear any new evidence.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I don't know this case, but just from reading a bit on this, Assata was convicted of murdering a state trooper, execution style, 40 years ago and went to jail. She escaped from jail and fled the country, has been on the lamb since. Why do you think the FBI is arrogant by doubling a bounty? They've done this before with others.

What does being a black activist have to do with your argument, there numerous black activists who live in the US and don't flee the country.

What's your real point you're trying to make? You think the jurors made a mistake? So you think the establishment is totally corrupt?

You really need to go back and research this. There are many who claim she was innocent and there certainly seems to be a lot of reason to believe so. There is so much history here that I will not even attempt to post it. There are books, one from her lawyer at the trail. Crazy things said from all sides.

 

[richaceg]

You really need to go back and research this. There are many who claim she was innocent and there certainly seems to be a lot of reason to believe so. There is so much history here that I will not even attempt to post it. There are books, one from her lawyer at the trail. Crazy things said from all sides.

she was convicted and sentenced. I guess the FBI should just exchange high fives instead of pursuit? Books are written to make $$$ and express their own POVs and nothing else.

 

[Aardvark154]

I don't know this case, but just from reading a bit on this, Assata was convicted of murdering a state trooper, execution style, 40 years ago and went to jail. She escaped from jail and fled the country, has been on the lamb since. Why do you think the FBI is arrogant by doubling a bounty? They've done this before with others.

What does being a black activist have to do with your argument, there numerous black activists who live in the US and don't flee the country.

What's your real point you're trying to make? You think the jurors made a mistake? So you think the establishment is totally corrupt?

From reading many of his posts that is exactly the case.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

she was convicted and sentenced. I guess the FBI should just exchange high fives instead of pursuit? Books are written to make $$$ and express their own POVs and nothing else.

I am sorry, but you do come from the world where no one has ever been wrongfully convicted???? If so, can I buy a place there? Thanks


This is a very controversial case. Many believe that she was wrongful convicted. There are facts on both sides. Clearly putting her jail for men for the 2 years before she escaped would not be deemed fair or just in this day, so there is some merit to some of the issues that "her" side have.

On the other side, I see that a man is dead. Someone has to be held accountable. I agree.

It is not as black and white as people think - and no that was not a bad pun attempt in this case.

 

[Petzel]

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/fbi-doubles-/51828e26fe3444064600024b

Wow this is proof that the USA government is trying to silence all dissent, as they also have the arrogance to double the bounty.

Charges against Assata were all trumped up and there is very weak evidence against her. The establishment is totally corrupt here, anyone who reads the trial transcripts of this case and about the counter intelligence operation of the FBI can see this.

Not to mention that she's a black activist.

How do you know for sure they're trumped up charges? Were you there?

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

How do you know for sure they're trumped up charges? Were you there?

How do you know they were not trumped up charges? Were you there?

This is the problem with a case like this, no one but her will truly know the truth here.

Here is a clip with her own words....

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/3/assata_shakur_in_her_own_words

There is a second clip for the second part that you can view as well that has comments by her lawyer and others.

What else I don't understand, why is she being label a terrorist for apparently killing a police officer in a shoot out. How is that now terrorism and so much so that she is one of the 10 most wanted terrorist in the world??? Come on..... That is quite a stretch.

 

[Aardvark154]

What else I don't understand, why is she being label a terrorist for apparently killing a police officer in a shoot out. How is that now terrorism

Without getting into anymore of it than that she was a member of the Black Liberation Army, is an escaped member of the Front de libération du Québec who fled to Cuba a terrorist? If not why is a member of a terrorist organization not a terrorist?

 

[fun-guy]

You really need to go back and research this. There are many who claim she was innocent and there certainly seems to be a lot of reason to believe so. There is so much history here that I will not even attempt to post it. There are books, one from her lawyer at the trail. Crazy things said from all sides.

Well I did lots of reading on this and this lady has a history as long as my arm. Former Black Panther and BLA member, many claim she's one of the leaders, was involved with several police killings, other than the one she was convicted for, and got off each time. She's just been involved with so much robberies and cop killings and no convictions.........sounds like the teflon lady.

What is interesting about the New Jersey trial is she claimed that she didn't do anything, just got out of the car and the troopers than just started shooting at her for no reason so she ran back into the car and it sped off, caught later down the road. Really? We should believe that?

There are many who believe she's guilty as sin, and some think she's innocent, but really don't have a reason other than she did nothing and was shot at by the troopers just for getting out of her car. Pretty weak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur

With her history of crime I find this so hard to believe, although I recognize it's up to the crown to prove guilt without doubt and that's what the defense lawyer was good at, creating enough doubt. At this point, she's guilty IMO.

Prove me wrong with whatever evidence I missed and you have, and I'll gladly change my opinion.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Prove me wrong with whatever evidence I missed and you have, and I'll gladly change my opinion.

Umm... Why? I am never said whether I thought she was guilty or innocent? and personally I don't care if you change your mind or not. Think what you want.

I don't get the terrorism part that has been labeled, but that has nothing do with my opinion about her guilt or innocence of the case regarding the officer.

 

[basketcase]

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I am sorry, but you do come from the world where no one has ever been wrongfully convicted???? If so, can I buy a place there? Thanks
...]

Then instead of fleeing custody, how about pushing for an appeal?

 

[basketcase]

... Clearly putting her jail for men for the 2 years before she escaped would not be deemed fair or just in this day,...

Of course that didn't happen 'in this day'.

There are flaws in the legal system but her actions do nothing to change that.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Then instead of fleeing custody, how about pushing for an appeal?

Of course that didn't happen 'in this day'.

There are flaws in the legal system but her actions do nothing to change that.

Agree on both counts, but considering how flawed the legal system was back then, it gives reasons to people who believe she is innocent. While on one side you and I can both agree that she would be in a proper women's jail, if the legal system was so flawed back then with simply where to put her, then how can we say that it was her who actually did it, getting a fair trail and that the system did not trump up the charges?

Kind of hard to say about anything back then like I said. I know I can not say one way or another. I know she was convicted but I can't say that there are not some things that make me have doubt. So I can not form a true opinion on the matter.

 

[basketcase]

Agree on both counts, but considering how flawed the legal system was back then, it gives reasons to people who believe she is innocent. While on one side you and I can both agree that she would be in a proper women's jail, if the legal system was so flawed back then with simply where to put her, then how can we say that it was her who actually did it, getting a fair trail and that the system did not trump up the charges? ...

As I said, if she is innocent she should be pushing for an appeal, not avoiding the issue. The legal system 40 years ago convicted her. Until that gets overturned she's guilty and a escaped convict.

 

[fun-guy]

Umm... Why? I am never said whether I thought she was guilty or innocent? and personally I don't care if you change your mind or not. Think what you want.

I don't get the terrorism part that has been labeled, but that has nothing do with my opinion about her guilt or innocence of the case regarding the officer.

Sorry, but in your post #4 above you came across as if you knew quite a bit of this case and suggested I go back and research this. Apparently I was wrong. My research so far points to guilty.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

As I said, if she is innocent she should be pushing for an appeal, not avoiding the issue. The legal system 40 years ago convicted her. Until that gets overturned she's guilty and a escaped convict.

I think that she would not be able to get an appeal now. I would have to look to see if there are any available to her. If she is not able to appeal, then there is not much she is able to do.

Sorry, but in your post #4 above you came across as if you knew quite a bit of this case and suggested I go back and research this. Apparently I was wrong. My research so far points to guilty.

I am sorry, I did not mean to appear misleading. I do know a bit about the case, but my point was there is so much involved in the case it is better to research it yourself. Again that is if you choose to look at facts that were outside of the trail. Not as simple as an answer to say a girl who shot a cop 40 years ago.

 

[basketcase]

I think that she would not be able to get an appeal now. I would have to look to see if there are any available to her. If she is not able to appeal, then there is not much she is able to do.

As far as I understand it, if there is evidence of flaws in the original trial, she can get an appeal. All she would have to do is get a lawyer and turn herself in.