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Anyone know a legitimate SEO company to help get higher ranking for our site ??? On Google searches for " escorts toronto " we were on page 1 for a moment , now on page 3 or 4. For " Toronto Escorts " we were on page 2 or 3 now down to page 9 or 10. Need help to get site to be consistent & stable on page 1 or 2.
 

OddSox

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90% of the SEOs are scam artists. Nobody even knows how Google does ranking - they guard their algorithms religiously - and change them regularly. Many of the common SOE techniques (link 'farms' pointing to your site etc.) will actually get you downgraded by Google.

That said, one of the best ways is to pay them for it. Even buying a few 'adwords' (you can set your own budget) seems to affect rankings positively. Google will deny it but...
 

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Searching engine ranking is a combination of factors, including overall competition, on page optimization, off site links (back links), age of domain, how often the site is updated, etc. Using a couple of SEO tools that I use, your on page SEO factors yield you a grade of C.

Looking at your backlinks, the SEO tool, shows you have 70 total links, where as the number 1 site on page 1 has 974. So you've got some work to do to get yourself to page 1.

It certainly is possible to get yourself ranked on page 1, but it is going to take time and effort to get it done.

Cheers
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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Clean code is the best way. That is what I always tell my clients and the proof is in their rankings. SEO companies will tell you you need this and that, and it is simply not the case, but clean code wins hands down every time. Google reads text. That is all it reads. That is what you work with.

Sites run for content management IE joomla, word press, etc all diminish your ability to provide clean code. Backlinking, meta data, etc not as big as as it use to be but still pays apart. Your site design limits you. You have crap HTML, you have no keywords, descriptions, etc. You have no labeling or tags or anything of proper value that google will read. That was with a 5 second look at your front page. You want to keep your site for ease and update convenience, pay Google for placement s suggested above. Don't waste money with a SEO company. Spend the money directly with the source. Remember however that Yahoo and Bing will have the same issues with ranking, and while yahoo is not that big, BING is getting there. Clean code works with ALL search engines.
 

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Rogers Outrank offers turnkey mobile website/seo/google ad services. It's legit, per se, but outrageously expensive for what it is

I let them do a pitch for my business I asked a few common sense questions that the rep had to ask her tech people. I never heard back from her lol
 
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Clean code is the best way. That is what I always tell my clients and the proof is in their rankings. SEO companies will tell you you need this and that, and it is simply not the case, but clean code wins hands down every time. Google reads text. That is all it reads. That is what you work with.

Sites run for content management IE joomla, word press, etc all diminish your ability to provide clean code. Backlinking, meta data, etc not as big as as it use to be but still pays apart. Your site design limits you. You have crap HTML, you have no keywords, descriptions, etc. You have no labeling or tags or anything of proper value that google will read. That was with a 5 second look at your front page. You want to keep your site for ease and update convenience, pay Google for placement s suggested above. Don't waste money with a SEO company. Spend the money directly with the source. Remember however that Yahoo and Bing will have the same issues with ranking, and while yahoo is not that big, BING is getting there. Clean code works with ALL search engines.
This is word press so nothing I can do about that. WHO is recommended ..... for a nominal fee , to get the other issues corrected so we are good to go???
I agree SEO companies are scam artists AND google does not allow escort companies to be sponsored advertisers & pay for ad words.
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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This is word press so nothing I can do about that. WHO is recommended ..... for a nominal fee , to get the other issues corrected so we are good to go???
I can't help with who. Sorry. People that come to me usually do after they have had the "who companies" screwed things up for them and I am not taking on new clients at the moment. I am booked with web work until the June right now. You can try Dave-the webguy. He is pretty good with this stuff and working with wordpress. But remember this all takes time. Google rankings can take 3-6months to change even with a true SEO guru.

Honestly, your fastest/best bet on your own is set up a google adwords account and pay google for placement as I can't see an issue on google's side for the lower rankings. Meaning you have no been put on their shit list.

There are some possible other things to do even with word press, but honestly, I don't have time to list them all. Text is key however. That is my free advice. As a person running your own stuff, try a place as much text as possible in the sections of your coding allow it that is industry relevant. View your site without CSS enabled and see the available text. You will see what google reads and how you have limited yourself.

EDIT: and are you sure about the sponsor ads????? I have not looked into that for a while now, as I never have to tell my clients to pay google either for escort or mainstream so I wouldn't really know for sure. I could be wrong, in which case I am sorry for that recommendation. I feel like Homer Simpson. D'Oh! LOL
 

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90% of the SEOs are scam artists. Nobody even knows how Google does ranking - they guard their algorithms religiously - and change them regularly. Many of the common SOE techniques (link 'farms' pointing to your site etc.) will actually get you downgraded by Google.

That said, one of the best ways is to pay them for it. Even buying a few 'adwords' (you can set your own budget) seems to affect rankings positively. Google will deny it but...
Agreed
SEO company's will promise you the moon and the stars and rarely deliver

those who actually know - don't say
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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Agreed
SEO company's will promise you the moon and the stars and rarely deliver

those who actually know - don't say
Oh we say, but no one wants to pay us to do it properly. Easier to set up a CM site, and things that flash and move, etc.

No one wants to pay for HTML/CSS design. No one really wants to pay for fluid/responsive design either which will work on any device/screen size etc. It takes too much time and work and therefore it costs.

However, if it is all done right and from the beginning, you see how it truly pays off.

For example the logo and the name Escorts Toronto, should bring in a high ranking, but it was done in a graphic through wordpress instead of done in HTML, with a CSS design to create almost the exact same affect. With it being placed in a proper labeled header, at the top of the page, etc etc etc etc. It use to be that Logo/Names where done in a graphic because web fonts were limited in browsers, but no Adobe as web based fonts, Google even has web based fonts, all free for use. That simple little change would make a huge difference. A SEO company is not going to tell them that tho. An SEO company is going to sell them some $3-5K option that does nothing at all really.

Man, I hate SEO companies with a passion. :mad:

I get that people all have different ideas about the web and what they like, don't like etc. Everyone wants to claim they know this and that and the next thing. I can not count the number of times I have fought with web gurus about CM based sites, about SEO etc. Even designers who know that HTML/CSS is the cleanest and best way to go. It is like computer techs or mechanic. Find the honest one who truly loves the work over the pay check and you will get the job done right and at a fair price for the work provided. I can't say it will be low cost, but it will be fair.
 

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search on google for " how to get a higher google ranking"....then read
 

genintoronto

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I haven't looked at your code since I'm on my phone right now, but I gather you are using WP. I would suggest you start by installing the Yoast SEO plugin. Take the time to read their detailed tutorial, and add the meta content as instructed.

How fast your site loads also plays a part in how you rank in search engines. Install a cache plugin (W3 Total Cache is usually considered one of the best), minify your CSS and JavaScript, run your images through a compressor (smushit.com is good - there's also a WP plugin version).

I disagree with Femme Fatale re: WP not being good for SEO. WP is optimized for SEO. But you need a good template, with good and clean code.
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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I disagree with Femme Fatale re: WP not being good for SEO. WP is optimized for SEO. But you need a good template, with good and clean code.

That is something we may have to agree to disagree on then. I understand you design strictly in WordPress and every designer has their own way of doing things and their own beliefs in what is best.

However maybe my wording was a little off as I am not saying that Wordpress can not be optimized but even as you say it is still all about good clean code, proper template, and there are pluggins required, addition work that most basic users are completely unaware of when trying to set something up on their own..... If these things are not done then the basic system diminishes your SEO capabilities.

My professor on the other hand has a stance that 2 site designed the exact same way, one in HTML/CSS and one in word press, the HTML/CSS will still out rank the WordPress one. If you add another 3rd site designed with Joomla, that is ever worse apparently. I have never done this, I have not researched it, and I have been know to not always agree with what my professors tell me so who knows. Could be right, could be wrong. I hope in this case it is right or I have paid a lot of money on education for no reason. LOL I don't know.... maybe someone else who has tried this or has bothered to really research the two can shed some better light.



 
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I must say for all its failings my site got up & running just before Christmas, is with WP AND when searching " Escorts Toronto " , Escorts incall Toronto " Toronto Incall Escorts" I am now on page 2. Soooo considering such a short time, all the competition AND being W.P. , I would say ..... NOT BAD. Again THANKS everyone with the help !!!:thumb:
 

genintoronto

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My professor on the other hand has a stance that 2 site designed the exact same way, one in HTML/CSS and one in word press, the HTML/CSS will still out rank the WordPress one. If you add another 3rd site designed with Joomla, that is ever worse apparently. I have never done this, I have not researched it, and I have been know to not always agree with what my professors tell me so who knows. Could be right, could be wrong. I hope in this case it is right or I have paid a lot of money on education for no reason. LOL I don't know.... maybe someone else who has tried this or has bothered to really research the two can shed some better light.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Wordpress is simply a content management system, which allows for dynamic content through PHP. But when you look at the source code, it's still HTML, CSS, and Javascript behind it. And it's still HTML and CSS that robots are reading. So, in terms of SEO, it doesn't really matters whether it's a static site written exclusively in HTML/CSS, a WP site, or a site developed with Ruby. What matters is how clean and optimized the HTML/CSS is.

I believe WP comes with most of the basics for SEO out of the box (easy control over URL and permalinks structure, easily extensible with plugins, requires little configuration), but of course, it's not going to be doing everything that someone who actually has some expertise in web development and SEO could do. But then again, you wouldn't expect any software or application to replace expertise, would you?
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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This doesn't make any sense to me. Wordpress is simply a content management system, which allows for dynamic content through PHP. But when you look at the source code, it's still HTML, CSS, and Javascript behind it. And it's still HTML and CSS that robots are reading. So, in terms of SEO, it doesn't really matters whether it's a static site written exclusively in HTML/CSS, a WP site, or a site developed with Ruby. What matters is how clean and optimized the HTML/CSS is.

I believe WP comes with most of the basics for SEO out of the box (easy control over URL and permalinks structure, easily extensible with plugins, requires little configuration), but of course, it's not going to be doing everything that someone who actually has some expertise in web development and SEO could do. But then again, you wouldn't expect any software or application to replace expertise, would you?
Aside from directing you to my professor for clarification there is not much I can do for you on that. I will add that I use WP in my personal stuff all the time. I have personal site that I use for blogging and viewing for my personal gallery. It is easy and less time consuming for me then writing out all my own code. WP can be a great tool for people. It has its place even with designers like me.

As to the rest however, I am sorry Gen. I have already said that I think we may just have to leave it at agreeing to disagree. You work with WP, I don`t and we both offer services to others here. Therefore I really do not want to get into a debate like this between us. Many designers have their own way of doing things in many different ways with many different platforms. I just happen to feel and based on the education that I have received that nothing will out beat properly written code by someone with true expertise. So you are right about that, no software is going to replace someone with the expertise. I went to school to learn HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. All software is limited based on its programming. WP I believe to be limited as well. Maybe not as much as others, but compared to what I do, I feel it is. That is simply my opinion based on my educational level. However tech changes so much that in a year all my education can become a complete waste. LOL I know those who studied 3 years ago who are back to learn more because HTML5/CSS3 are much bigger and more versatile now then before when they were learning XHTML/CSS2. Fluid design is much bigger now then before and will take over more and more in the future and that is something that was not taught even a year and half ago.

Long story short - the OP asked for some info. Based on what I do and the way I design, I gave him the info. Others did as well. The OP got what he needed. I am happy to leave it there or should you want to continue on with this debate, we can do so privately else where.

 
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