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TOTALLY Agree...........I think in this industry if a client exhibits unsafe behaviour or becomes aggresive he is asked to leave...no refund...full stop, does not matter how much time of the date has elapsed. That point, in my opinion, should not really be open for debate.
Absolutely!I think in this industry if a client exhibits unsafe behaviour or becomes aggresive he is asked to leave...no refund...full stop, does not matter how much time of the date has elapsed. That point, in my opinion, should not really be open for debate.
And if any such slimeball tries to "defend" his actions while referring to the girl as "the escort" and the location as "the bordello" I don't think anyone in their right mind should be doing anything but seeing him for the slimeball he is.
I didn't want to make you feel bad CH, but I'm still really surprised at your position in this thread. You are usually very pro escort and all about their safety and security, and to give any credibility to this individual is sending the wrong message. Someone who does what he did, doesn't HAVE a side to listen to. He is a preditor. Not to mention, his first post ever is him coming on here and trying to defend himself and degrading the lady. I have no idea why you would even want to touch that with a 10 foot pole man..
The only right thing to do was to hang on to the money and sending him out on his ass.. end of discussion.
The only right thing to do was to hang on to the money and sending him out on his ass.. end of discussion.
People get paid for their time not for going through ordeal. I said there is no right or wrong in regards to the view as whether or not one would want to keep the money from such a horrible guy and NOT a right or wrong about attacking escorts or anyone!!!!. And I didn't say the promise which was made by receptionist was not delivered. I said no promise by receptionist should have been made on behalf of lady at the first place. I am not giving legitimacy to anyone either. I am simply stating the facts that there are two opposing sides posted here. Even if his side of story I said he was wrong to demand for bbbj, he was wrong to demand it and I said that clearly in bold letters. Anyways I will stop posting in this thread as the one thing I really dislike is to be mis-quoted.
Well, someone is obviously lying. Either the customer is lying and he did indeed try to force BBFS which would be rape. Or the agency and provider are lying together to hide a cash grab situation where she tried to upsell and got refused and decided to take all the money she had upfront and the session short so she could move on to the next customer. Or the provider is lying to both the agency and the customers here to save face.
Heck, it's also possible that the "customer" posting wasnt even the customer in question but just some guy who read all the details in previous posts and made a fake account just to troll.
We'll probably never know.
Any way you look at it though, if police reports were filed and a heated argument occured which may have been overheard and reported by neighbours, PK's condo should probably be avoided in the near future if a "found-in" charge isnt your idea of a good time.
Heck, it's also possible that the "customer" posting wasnt even the customer in question but just some guy who read all the details in previous posts and made a fake account just to troll.
We'll probably never know.
Any way you look at it though, if police reports were filed and a heated argument occured which may have been overheard and reported by neighbours, PK's condo should probably be avoided in the near future if a "found-in" charge isnt your idea of a good time.
just by what he wrote this is 100 percent the guy who attacked Katie. this was not an exaggeration on her part, and this should not even be even in dispute. We are reputable agency that has been in business for 8 years and as most of you will attest nothing like this has happened to any of you as a client. this is a very dangerous individual who really and truly should be avoided at all cost.
as far as rest goes on the part of a client, we have been around for a long time and by no means are we a secret. lo
LE does know we exist, and we are on fairly good terms.
if this guy was dumb enough to go to the police after he tried to attack Katie I'm quite certain they would have dealt with it severely. in addition they would have contacted us a while ago this happend last week.
I do find it disturbing that an individual with an obvious axe to grind as the first time poster
would be given the same kind of credibility as a reputable
agency with a very long history.
just for the record, unless there is a severe incident le does not concern themselves with this part of the industry.
as far as rest goes on the part of a client, we have been around for a long time and by no means are we a secret. lo
LE does know we exist, and we are on fairly good terms.
if this guy was dumb enough to go to the police after he tried to attack Katie I'm quite certain they would have dealt with it severely. in addition they would have contacted us a while ago this happend last week.
I do find it disturbing that an individual with an obvious axe to grind as the first time poster
would be given the same kind of credibility as a reputable
agency with a very long history.
just for the record, unless there is a severe incident le does not concern themselves with this part of the industry.
This was never a jab at you, but in this case you are wrong about the way you are looking at things.. there can be zero tolerance for these types of individuals and they can't even be given the benefit of the doubt. This isn't a case of someone charging extras and not getting what they want.. you have been around long enough to know we don't play those games.. anything less than absolute condemnation of someone who tries to force bbfs isn't acceptable. I can understand if this was a new agency with no reputation.. or a brand new indy.. but for PK .. nonono.. homey don't play that.
In addition to all of this, there were other ladies present as witnesses to the event.. some of which have been with us for a while and have a very good rep.
In addition to all of this, there were other ladies present as witnesses to the event.. some of which have been with us for a while and have a very good rep.
The position I have taken in this thread is based on the principles that I believe in and that is presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It is not reputable agency versus a first time poster since neither you or I were there when the incident occurred. It is a first time poster lady versus a first time poster guy. Now statistically speaking in good majority of cases, it is the lady who has been the victim and yes in all likelihood Katie's side is the truth but it has happened in small minority of cases that the male has been the victim of a makeup story so since neither of us were there, in the entire universe only the lady and the guy know what actually happened.
You wished that I come down 100% on the lady's side and your side under above described situation and it is understandable that you expected me as one of your long time loyal customers to do just that, or by history you know me as very pro escort and concerned about their safety as you said, but for me to do so, I had to bend the very principle that I live my life upon (presumption of innocence until proven otherwise) and I am sorry that I disappointed you. What made me feel bad though was the mis-quotes on things I never said and not because the guy didn't get his dirty money back (the hell with the guy and I would have burned his money). You are running the agency not me and it is your decision not mine and maybe it was the right thing to do since the lady certainly deserved compensation that no dollar amount could compensate for the ordeal she went through. All I said was that I personally wouldn't have accepted his dirty money after I read Katie's post (maybe I didn't say it the way I meant it and if so I apologize), but again not my business in this matter. That said I feel that I didn't deserve to be mis-quoted after all I have been on your agency side for a long while so vigorously posting all the good facts and reviews ....etc., and acting as a peace maker and all that. That is all. Lol now I feel bad again as I broke my promise not to post again in this thread!!!!!!!.
I just want to chime in here, because I was in the condo at the time of the incident.
I know Katie to be a cheery professional who loves her job. She has a sweet disposition. Seeing her after the incident occurred was quite upsetting, because she was clearly distraught and in tears. No means no. And the girls who were there that day heard her clearly say No during the appointment. Enough said.
I know Katie to be a cheery professional who loves her job. She has a sweet disposition. Seeing her after the incident occurred was quite upsetting, because she was clearly distraught and in tears. No means no. And the girls who were there that day heard her clearly say No during the appointment. Enough said.
You're right. If it went down like the story is told. That's seriously wrong. But if she's playing you all.. And the "no" you heard was about giving the money back.. Not bbfs. It's not good. You'll see in time, snakes can't keep straight. She'll fuck up again eventually if she's not kosher.
Ya gotta give her the benefit of the doubt... But I'd be weary of her.
Ya gotta give her the benefit of the doubt... But I'd be weary of her.
I just want to chime in here, because I was in the condo at the time of the incident.
I know Katie to be a cheery professional who loves her job. She has a sweet disposition. Seeing her after the incident occurred was quite upsetting, because she was clearly distraught and in tears. No means no. And the girls who were there that day heard her clearly say No during the appointment. Enough said.
In your case we know you and would not be getting aggressive.. He was agressive on the phone, and was telling Katie I said it was ok to have bbfs.. he even told Lisa on the phone.. Lisa told him "For sure Jason would tell a client he could have unprotected sex".. There is no question here, the guy tried to pull a fast one.. and Katie is brand new and is learning the ropes.. Appearantly she didn't click with a client and he wrote a bad review about her, (which is absolutely his right) and she responded and explained herself which I think is fair as well. I am not saying she didn't handle her situation properly, (I would have refused the service completely if she was not comfortable) ... but in this case she was not at fault. The guy is a dangerous individual and once again, any SP that want the info on this guy plz PM me for it.
So I want to clear up a few things on this thread, firstly the incident being discussed now is not the incident, the provider or the agency for that matter that I initially wrote about, the fact that it has become a bashing session of Katie is clearly reprehensible. I had a great session with Katie and thought she was a really sweet girl, in fact I wrote a review already. From the attitude shown by Boob whatever clearly shows his character, and I can't for the life of me understand why you choose to side with him over PK or Katie. His only comment on this board where he bashes about a girl and you jump to his side, saying be wary of this girl / agency. But when other guys who have participated in this board previously stand up and give their account of the situation and girl its totally dismissed. I don't get it.
Unfortunately I started this thread thinking I could reach out to the board for some assistance in a moral dilema I felt. Well I sure learned something, that's to keep it to myself. Because of another situation a very nice young lady is getting bashed on this thread, a reputable agency is forced to defend her and I feel like shit.
Unfortunately I started this thread thinking I could reach out to the board for some assistance in a moral dilema I felt. Well I sure learned something, that's to keep it to myself. Because of another situation a very nice young lady is getting bashed on this thread, a reputable agency is forced to defend her and I feel like shit.
Time will tell. PK did the right thing. I have no idea how it truly went. If dude did any of whats exclaimed he's an idiot, and more.
My personal preference is to avoid the girl. Something is off about the whole thing. This whole fracas excluded, her attitude, lack of boobs, and possible up charge for bbbj, would put her on the avoid list.
Your original dilemma is commendable, but without facts, just hearsay you're sticking your neck, and nose where it doesn't belong. Ask the girl if she wants your assistance. If she does then decide on your course of action.
My personal preference is to avoid the girl. Something is off about the whole thing. This whole fracas excluded, her attitude, lack of boobs, and possible up charge for bbbj, would put her on the avoid list.
Your original dilemma is commendable, but without facts, just hearsay you're sticking your neck, and nose where it doesn't belong. Ask the girl if she wants your assistance. If she does then decide on your course of action.
I for one do appreciate the fact that you did bring your situation to light, for the one reason that on our end as a reminder to really try to keep things open between the agency and the ladies that work with us. I think for the most part we do, but I think that there is always room for improvement.
Again I really appreaciate your review of katie.. it should also be linked to the negative review which is also posted. Maybe it will give a balanced view of things..
Again I really appreaciate your review of katie.. it should also be linked to the negative review which is also posted. Maybe it will give a balanced view of things..
So I want to clear up a few things on this thread, firstly the incident being discussed now is not the incident, the provider or the agency for that matter that I initially wrote about, the fact that it has become a bashing session of Katie is clearly reprehensible. I had a great session with Katie and thought she was a really sweet girl, in fact I wrote a review already. From the attitude shown by Boob whatever clearly shows his character, and I can't for the life of me understand why you choose to side with him over PK or Katie. His only comment on this board where he bashes about a girl and you jump to his side, saying be wary of this girl / agency. But when other guys who have participated in this board previously stand up and give their account of the situation and girl its totally dismissed. I don't get it.
Unfortunately I started this thread thinking I could reach out to the board for some assistance in a moral dilema I felt. Well I sure learned something, that's to keep it to myself. Because of another situation a very nice young lady is getting bashed on this thread, a reputable agency is forced to defend her and I feel like shit.
CH you are way off base. I'm siding with Jason and the other members that are pissed at you. If an SP has any sexual contact with a client and she terminates the appointment because of violence or any threat against her will and shows aggressive behaviour where she indicates lack of consent not only is she morally entitled to hold onto the whole of the donation but she has the basis to file a criminal complaint.
I think in light of the other positive reviews that have been posted, showing that Katie does provide the services, I think CH you really should reconsider your position and let it go. As far as I am concerned I am not "pissed" at you. A little disappointed, but really if I was another SP reading what you are saying it wouldn't make you very popular IMHO.
This isn't CERB but people do gang up here, and in fact it's worse sometimes.. I should know, because it happens to us.. often.
Anyways I think this thread has more than run it's course.. I think everyone should lay off of each other and call this one a day.
This isn't CERB but people do gang up here, and in fact it's worse sometimes.. I should know, because it happens to us.. often.
Anyways I think this thread has more than run it's course.. I think everyone should lay off of each other and call this one a day.
I really don't think anyone was misled on the services, based on the reviews that I seen it was only 1 individual that had an issue, and it probably won't be any issue that most of you guys will run into. she is very popular and has many repeat clients and everyone is singing her praises.
Every lady that works in this industry is Ymmv . And honestly it wouldn't be right if it wasn't. Other than LHR (whom I am not saying it wasn't necessarily his fault) and the would be Rapist nobody else seems to have had any problems with her.
Every lady that works in this industry is Ymmv . And honestly it wouldn't be right if it wasn't. Other than LHR (whom I am not saying it wasn't necessarily his fault) and the would be Rapist nobody else seems to have had any problems with her.
