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goodguy1977

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Hello Blackberry bulls... i'm a Blackberry bear... for FD i am short the stock...

Z10 has been on the market for a bit, are you all as bullish as before?

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George The Curious

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You are an idiot to long or short on this stock. Its future is unknowable, and likely to be very volatile. There are so many other more predictable stocks to trade, but you decide to focus on stocks with the most drama going on right now, because it's somehow exciting to speculate and talk to other people about it, rather than focusing on one thing that truly matters in stock market. That is MAKE MONEY! IF you are gambler, keep buying and selling stocks on the headlines. I stay away from those, and focus on solid stocks with predictable patterns and solid track records, and mainstream media tend to find them boring.
 

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If you want to gamble on a tech stock down in the dumps, buy apple not BB. Apple is still really risky but BB is on life support and could be dead in 2 years.
 

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You are an idiot to long or short on this stock. Its future is unknowable, and likely to be very volatile. There are so many other more predictable stocks to trade, but you decide to focus on stocks with the most drama going on right now, because it's somehow exciting to speculate and talk to other people about it, rather than focusing on one thing that truly matters in stock market. That is MAKE MONEY! IF you are gambler, keep buying and selling stocks on the headlines. I stay away from those, and focus on solid stocks with predictable patterns and solid track records, and mainstream media tend to find them boring.
Hello my friend,

I appreciate your feedback though I'd wish you put it differently rather than call me an idiot but I think that reflects more on you than me. I actually appreciate reading posts from folks like yourself. So if you don't mind me asking cause I'd like to learn from your wisdom, if the future is unknown and likely very volatile how do you pick stocks with predictable patterns ? Do you use TA? You must run alot of money with your wisdom and it all must be fantastic since it's risk adjusted and you don't even need to hedge!

Please open this new and wonderful world of wisdom to me.

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If you want to gamble on a tech stock down in the dumps, buy apple not BB. Apple is still really risky but BB is on life support and could be dead in 2 years.
Please re-read my original post. I appreciate the feedback. If you don't know what short means I recommend you look it up.

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George The Curious

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Hello my friend,

I appreciate your feedback though I'd wish you put it differently rather than call me an idiot but I think that reflects more on you than me. I actually appreciate reading posts from folks like yourself. So if you don't mind me asking cause I'd like to learn from your wisdom, if the future is unknown and likely very volatile how do you pick stocks with predictable patterns ? Do you use TA? You must run alot of money with your wisdom and it all must be fantastic since it's risk adjusted and you don't even need to hedge!

Please open this new and wonderful world of wisdom to me.

Goodguy
Sorry if I seemed a little hostile, did not mean to. Just frustrated to see people get excited over a stock simply because news people keep talking about it. You should be only paying attention to stocks with higher probability of trading success. And following the latest media headline won't help you a bit. It might be interesting to read about the drama going on that's moving the stock, but it will not help you predict its future. Just because you've heard about it a lot on the news, and thought about it a lot in your heard, and have a hunch what's going to happen next, does not mean a jack shit! I say this because from 15 years of trading experience I've made more mistakes trying to apply my gut feeling to some unfolding drama on stocks, than any other errors, and always so much more emotionally draining because you were so convinced from socially, technologically, or morally, a certain company or stock should be successful or should fail. In the end, none of that stuff matters if you lose money.

Trying to predict the outcome of a news is not fundamental analysis, it's speculation.

I mainly use TA, but I respect those who can do proper fundamental analysis too. It's just TA sources comes much more easily and reliably and I personally believe TA is superior than fundamental. However, fundamnetal is still way better than speculation. Asking questions like "How do you FEEEL about future of blackberry.." is speculation. pure speculation mentality... I also cringe when I see people who will only buy stocks in one geographic region or only one industry sector simply because he FEEEELs more comfortable, or certain news headline says investing in Canada or Australia is safer than the USA or Europe, therefore all stocks in Canada / Australia must be superior to USA and Europe. etc. etc.. lots of examples. A simple market screening will reveal more than 6000 stocks listed in US market with cap greater than 200M, which is my minimal market cap and liquidity for trading. Any stocks lower than that tends to have a lot of randomness than patterns.

Okay, I won't go into specifics about my trading strategy, because if I did, those who hate or don't understand TA will try to find counter examples to say I am wrong. No strategy or set of stocks is perfectly predictable so you can always find counter examples to "disprove" me. So I will show the common sense that so many people seem to miss.

Just look at the price charts... of many stocks...

I know there are TA-ist trying to do highly complex math with options and apply neural network algorithms all that. I'm not into that. They are trying to make perfect predicting. They might be better than me, but you really don't need to be that complicated to see the obvious things in the market.

Look at the charts again... any stock charts.. look at at least 50 stocks over different time frames, from 1 day chart to 20 year chart (or max time frame available).

Some stocks you will find completely random. Some stocks you will find (at least in some segment of time), there are VERY SIMPLE patterns, like straight like uptrend, down trend, sideways. Yup, that's all I'm looking for, straight trendlines. Screen for this pattern over 6000 US stocks, you find lots an lots of gems... There are programs to do this, so you only need to verify a dozen or so stocks visually.

Then, only then you read about their news. The more stable the pattern the stock has, the less news, and less exciting it is. There is a saying in the market. No news is good news.
 

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Sorry if I seemed a little hostile, did not mean to. Just frustrated to see people get excited over a stock simply because news people keep talking about it. You should be only paying attention to stocks with higher probability of trading success. And following the latest media headline won't help you a bit. It might be interesting to read about the drama going on that's moving the stock, but it will not help you predict its future. Just because you've heard about it a lot on the news, and thought about it a lot in your heard, and have a hunch what's going to happen next, does not mean a jack shit! I say this because from 15 years of trading experience I've made more mistakes trying to apply my gut feeling to some unfolding drama on stocks, than any other errors, and always so much more emotionally draining because you were so convinced from socially, technologically, or morally, a certain company or stock should be successful or should fail. In the end, none of that stuff matters if you lose money.

Trying to predict the outcome of a news is not fundamental analysis, it's speculation.

I mainly use TA, but I respect those who can do proper fundamental analysis too. It's just TA sources comes much more easily and reliably and I personally believe TA is superior than fundamental. However, fundamnetal is still way better than speculation. Asking questions like "How do you FEEEL about future of blackberry.." is speculation. pure speculation mentality... I also cringe when I see people who will only buy stocks in one geographic region or only one industry sector simply because he FEEEELs more comfortable, or certain news headline says investing in Canada or Australia is safer than the USA or Europe, therefore all stocks in Canada / Australia must be superior to USA and Europe. etc. etc.. lots of examples. A simple market screening will reveal more than 6000 stocks listed in US market with cap greater than 200M, which is my minimal market cap and liquidity for trading. Any stocks lower than that tends to have a lot of randomness than patterns.

Okay, I won't go into specifics about my trading strategy, because if I did, those who hate or don't understand TA will try to find counter examples to say I am wrong. No strategy or set of stocks is perfectly predictable so you can always find counter examples to "disprove" me. So I will show the common sense that so many people seem to miss.

Just look at the price charts... of many stocks...

I know there are TA-ist trying to do highly complex math with options and apply neural network algorithms all that. I'm not into that. They are trying to make perfect predicting. They might be better than me, but you really don't need to be that complicated to see the obvious things in the market.

Look at the charts again... any stock charts.. look at at least 50 stocks over different time frames, from 1 day chart to 20 year chart (or max time frame available).

Some stocks you will find completely random. Some stocks you will find (at least in some segment of time), there are VERY SIMPLE patterns, like straight like uptrend, down trend, sideways. Yup, that's all I'm looking for, straight trendlines. Screen for this pattern over 6000 US stocks, you find lots an lots of gems... There are programs to do this, so you only need to verify a dozen or so stocks visually.

Then, only then you read about their news. The more stable the pattern the stock has, the less news, and less exciting it is. There is a saying in the market. No news is good news.
Not gonna drag this one out, but if you read my previous posts my short position on BB was based on technicals. I am a fundamentalist first and foremost, it's alot of work and we do very well based on our hard work. We don't call others idiots or insult them, we instead look for opinions when formulating our work.

In the future, if I ask for opinions about a topic you are welcome to comment on the topic but please leave the insults and the opinions about trading systems to yourself.

We are doing okay based on our work thank you,

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I wasn't insulting simply stating my opinion about people sensationalizing a volatile stock.

if you are doing ok based on your own work why did you ever so politely asked for my " wisdom" ? after accusing me of insult? why not share your wisdom?
 

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Hello my friend, I appreciate your feedback though I'd wish you put it differently rather than call me an idiot but I think that reflects more on you than me. I actually appreciate reading posts from folks like yourself.
I have to say I appreciate your tact. Being short BBRY (or BB) doesn't make someone an idiot, in fact I would imagine it has been a good and profitable trade so far.

They are due to report earnings on March 24 and while the actual earnings report won't tell us much (as it will not be up to date) there will probably be a lot of "forward looking statements" on the conference call and a lot more rhetoric then usual. Another catalyst could be when the US market comes on line (which could happen any day now) so you might want to consider covering your short position until after March 24 and then I think (depending on the price action and technicals) it could be a good candidate for a short position again.

FD, I booked a small fortune long call options when it was below $7 but I have no inclination to take a position at this time.
 

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I wasn't insulting simply stating my opinion about people sensationalizing a volatile stock.

if you are doing ok based on your own work why did you ever so politely asked for my " wisdom" ? after accusing me of insult? why not share your wisdom?
To be honest I'd rather not waste any more energy communicating with you.

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goodguy1977

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I have to say I appreciate your tact. Being short BBRY (or BB) doesn't make someone an idiot, in fact I would imagine it has been a good and profitable trade so far.

They are due to report earnings on March 24 and while the actual earnings report won't tell us much (as it will not be up to date) there will probably be a lot of "forward looking statements" on the conference call and a lot more rhetoric then usual. Another catalyst could be when the US market comes on line (which could happen any day now) so you might want to consider covering your short position until after March 24 and then I think (depending on the price action and technicals) it could be a good candidate for a short position again.

FD, I booked a small fortune long call options when it was below $7 but I have no inclination to take a position at this time.
Hello there,

Actually the other side of the trade was long Goog... woo hoo! They announced the US release date... one day AFTER the launch of Samsung's Galaxy 4 phone.... bad timing for bbry. (I used the US to pair the goog)

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Actually the other side of the trade was long Goog... woo hoo! They announced the US release date... one day AFTER the launch of Samsung's Galaxy 4 phone.... bad timing for bbry. (I used the US to pair the goog)
Well done. Of course GOOG is giving me a nose bleed lately :) But there is no doubt about it, they are firing on all cylinders lately. BBRY... only time will tell.
 

George The Curious

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Keep on speculating and repeating media headlines that a few million other investors already know will not give you any edge on the game.
 

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This guy has been a bit of a troll posting about his BB short. But I want to see what happens to him and other shorts the next few days as they get squeezed.
The stock shot up 10% in the last 40minutes of trading because Blackberry sold 1M units to 1 partner.
There are idiot short Analysts who said they would sell 300K units this quarter total.

Seriously why anyone would short a company worth $8B total is beyond me.
 

goodguy1977

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This guy has been a bit of a troll posting about his BB short. But I want to see what happens to him and other shorts the next few days as they get squeezed.
The stock shot up 10% in the last 40minutes of trading because Blackberry sold 1M units to 1 partner.
There are idiot short Analysts who said they would sell 300K units this quarter total.

Seriously why anyone would short a company worth $8B total is beyond me.
Wow, your tune went from polite in wishing me luck on my position to insulting. Tell me what part of my thesis is bullshit? If you believe so strongly in your arguement why don't you lay down more dough and buy the piece of shit stock?

Why would anyone short an 8B company cause it's a piece of shit. Phne sucks, apps suck, management sucks.... etc...

I'm tired of talking to idiots like you. Enjoy your bb shares, they will join your Nortel shares in the graveyard.

Idiot

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goodguy1977

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This guy has been a bit of a troll posting about his BB short. But I want to see what happens to him and other shorts the next few days as they get squeezed.
The stock shot up 10% in the last 40minutes of trading because Blackberry sold 1M units to 1 partner.
There are idiot short Analysts who said they would sell 300K units this quarter total.

Seriously why anyone would short a company worth $8B total is beyond me.
Happy Galaxy 4 day....

Goodguy
 

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German govt annouced they are going with blackberry for there employees.

My overall prediction. They take 10-15% of the market and maintain status as the third alternetive. Heavy sales to govt and business due to security that comes with the product. Ok personal sales.
 

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German govt annouced they are going with blackberry for there employees.

My overall prediction. They take 10-15% of the market and maintain status as the third alternetive. Heavy sales to govt and business due to security that comes with the product. Ok personal sales.
I was under the impression that the proprietary security, considered the best out thereby many, including the bad guys, had been modified making it less secure with backdoors and such. Obviously still better than the rest.
 
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