Iran cleaning up nuclear work, satelite photos show.

[fuji]

Keep on spinning Groggy.

Plainly the Iranians *can't* actually decide to build a bomb until they actually have the technology to build one. Everyone on the planet but you sees why it's important to make sure they never get to make that choice. Like everyone else Israel is expressing concern that the Iranians are developing that capability. If we wait until that point it will be too late to stop them--if they are to be stopped, it must be now, BEFORE they have the ability to make that decision.

 

[groggy]

Keep on spinning Groggy.

Plainly the Iranians *can't* actually decide to build a bomb until they actually have the technology to build one. Everyone on the planet but you sees why it's important to make sure they never get to make that choice. Like everyone else Israel is expressing concern that the Iranians are developing that capability. If we wait until that point it will be too late to stop them--if they are to be stopped, it must be now, BEFORE they have the ability to make that decision.

Opened up a Fuji post, bad mistake.

So Fuji, you are arguing that they should be bombed before they decide whether to make a bomb, just in case they decide to make a bomb?
Good luck trying to defend that logic in the court of reality.
Warmonger.

 

[fuji]

Opened up a Fuji post, bad mistake.

So Fuji, you are arguing that they should be bombed before they decide whether to make a bomb, just in case they decide to make a bomb?

Half right, which is much better than their usual. They need to be stopped now while it is still possible. If you wait until they have all the technology to build a bomb then it's plainly too late at that point. They need to be prevented from acquiring the technology, not just the device.

What's wrong with your post is that I have never advocated that Iran should be bombed. Bombing them will only slow them down, and what we actually need is COMPLIANCE from the Iranian regime. Bombing them will not achieve compliance. To achieve compliance we need to impose sanctions on the regime tough enough that it will agree to stop weapons development--in provable ways--or else we need to change the regime. Ideally we can do it with sanctions--something like a complete military blockade of their oil exports should do it, without having to go in on the ground and invade the place. As you know ground invasions can be messy.

 

[seth gecko]

Recent analysis on the significance of Parchin; IMO bang-on accurate assessment.
http://www.sipri.org/media/expert-comments/18jan2013_IAEA_Kelley

 

[nottyboi]

What a nonsense article. The only nuclear triggers that leave radioactive debris are those for fusion bombs. (essentially triggered by a small fission bomb). Fission bombs are triggered by conventional explosives. So if they were testing the trigger for a fission bomb there would be no nuclear debris. Until I see evidence Iran is making highly enriched uranium or plutonium.. I don't buy the whole weapons talk. That said, the Iran govt is scum. If they could get an Arab Spring II going in Tehran I would be 100% supportive and very happy for the Iranian people. Iranians are much to advanced and civilized to be governed by a bunch of douchbag mullahs.

 

[groggy]

The article makes sense. The Parchin accusations still stem from the 'laptop of death' that some 'unnamed, non-NPT signatory' country gave them.
It makes a good case that the really, excellent CAD drawing (one that makes a mockery of both Netanyahu's acme UN bomb drawing and the graph recently faked) would be impossible to build in the time they had, useless for testing and scientifically pointless.

There was an Iranian Arab spring started a few years back, but the government used the pressure from US/Israel as motivation to shut down dissent. Take that away and they would come back out on the streets again.

Speaking of which, talk is that there may be a third revolution in Egypt.
Sad.

 

[fuji]

Blither blather away, it is undisputed that Iran is enriching uranium in flagrant violation of international law. A nation that can flagrantly breach one law cannot be trusted and IS PROBABLY breaching others too. Plainly their word doesn't mean shit.

 

[groggy]

Blither blather away, it is undisputed that Iran is enriching uranium in flagrant violation of international law. A nation that can flagrantly breach one law cannot be trusted and IS PROBABLY breaching others too. Plainly their word doesn't mean shit.

They have a legitimate case against the validity of the UN SC ruling.
In the meantime, they continue inspections.

 

[fuji]

They have a legitimate case against the validity of the UN SC ruling.

Nope. The UN SC identified the Iranian nuclear program as a threat to global peace and security, explicitly saying so, and is fully within its mandate to take whatever action is necessary to limit such threats. In this case, ordering Iran to shutter the program that threatens global peace and security.

But please, spew some more ludicrous Iranian propaganda and show us all how thoroughly brainwashed you are.

 

[groggy]

I'll just highlite two sentences and leave the debate at that:

In this case, ordering Iran to shutter the program that threatens global peace and security.

Contrast that sentence with:

But please, spew some more ludicrous Iranian propaganda and show us all how thoroughly brainwashed you are.

 

[rld]

They have a legitimate case against the validity of the UN SC ruling.
In the meantime, they continue inspections.

Iran has not fully co-operated with inspections for years. They have denied hundreds of inspection requests.

In fact Iran denied more inspection requests just last week:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE90L0AH20130122

They are playing a game with this, and it is going badly for them. The world is punishing them economically. I guess the world has been fooled, but you have not.

Or maybe...it is the other way around.

 

[groggy]

Iran has not fully co-operated with inspections for years. They have denied hundreds of inspection requests.

In fact Iran denied more inspection requests just last week:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE90L0AH20130122

They are playing a game with this, and it is going badly for them. The world is punishing them economically. I guess the world has been fooled, but you have not.

Or maybe...it is the other way around.

What they've stopped agreeing with is the inspections called for the voluntary additional protocols, since they withdrew from them.
The UN SC is trying to make it appear as if they aren't allowed to withdraw, and that's one of the major issues.
But they are still allowing inspection of those items required by the NPT.
Places like Parchin fall outside that mandate, since they aren't part of their nuclear industry.

 

[rld]

What they've stopped agreeing with is the inspections called for the voluntary additional protocols, since they withdrew from them.
The UN SC is trying to make it appear as if they aren't allowed to withdraw, and that's one of the major issues.
But they are still allowing inspection of those items required by the NPT.
Places like Parchin fall outside that mandate, since they aren't part of their nuclear industry.

That is pure BS, As has been pointed out many times before Iran has denied hundreds of inspection requests which are within the NPT.

It is amazing the lengths that your atheist self will go to to lie about a theocratic despotic regime.

 

[basketcase]

....
It is amazing the lengths that your atheist self will go to to lie about a theocratic despotic regime.

Don't you get it? When Canada's PM goes to church, it's an unjust attack on Canadian freedoms. When the Palestinians or Iranian government is based primarily on Islamic law, that's fine.

 

[groggy]

That is pure BS, As has been pointed out many times before Iran has denied hundreds of inspection requests which are within the NPT.

It is amazing the lengths that your atheist self will go to to lie about a theocratic despotic regime.

Iran's despotic regime is despotic, but that's a different issue from their NPT treaty issues.
So show us what inspections within the NPT they have denied.

 

[exceed]

Don't you get it? When Canada's PM goes to church, it's an unjust attack on Canadian freedoms. When the Palestinians or Iranian government is based primarily on Islamic law, that's fine.

huh?
care to elaborate or are you just trolling?

 

[wigglee]

Iran should start complying before even more get killed. The blame lies squarely with their intransigence.

but its ok for Israel to have nukes, right?

 

[basketcase]

but its ok for Israel to have nukes, right?

Why not? They had them before the NPT existed so they have as much right as any other existing nuclear power at the time. They have also never signed the NPT. Iran on the other hand signed the NPT so has no right to nukes (unless they want to withdraw from the NPT).