Decoding Neanderthals

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Tonight on Nova on PBS is Decoding Neanderthals, where scientific analysis of the Neanderthal genome shows that modern humans and Neanderthals interbred some 60,000 years ago.
 

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they were bigger and stronger than homo sapiens so why did we survive and not them?
 

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No doubt the cro magnons were correcting the pronunciation of the 'thals, (is someone going to get offended on their behalf if I call them that?). They did, however, have no difficulty mastering the nasal accent.
 

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Put another way..

We figured out how to make better weapons and used language to plan and coordinate our attacks.
We were prettier and handsome too, Neanderthal chicks came flocking down on us.
 

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Apparently, the data documentated so far says that the genes we inherited from Neanderthals is the gene that activates our immune system and helps our bodies fight disease. This is what the Neanderthals gave us when they interbred with homo sapiens.
 

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Because their brains were smaller and they didn't have the ability to adapt as humans can.
Not quite that simple, but close. Size, shape and development after birth all make their mark on their abilities. The skull/brain of Hs changes shape after birth from a shared elongated initial shape, and the more globular shape allows for better development in very important areas giving rise to the development and improvements in bow &arrows, spear throwing sticks/atlatl, composite stone tools, and needle and thread.

Neanderthals actually had an average brain size of 1,450 cc with a range from 1,125cc to 1,750cc. The average modern human brain size is 1,330cc.

It's also a function of brain weight to body weight. position of the cranial foramina that allows for improved posture and blood circulation and so on and so on. The improvements allowed for faster population growth expansion and eventually swamping Hn population. the cross breeding would have just execrated it.
 

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Apparently, the data documentated so far says that the genes we inherited from Neanderthals is the gene that activates our immune system and helps our bodies fight disease. This is what the Neanderthals gave us when they interbred with homo sapiens.
They gave us genes to fight diseases common in the colder climates that HS hadn't dealt with before in their travels. Think of the Aztec in reverse.
 

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Not quite that simple, but close. Size, shape and development after birth all make their mark on their abilities. The skull/brain of Hs changes shape after birth from a shared elongated initial shape, and the more globular shape allows for better development in very important areas giving rise to the development and improvements in bow &arrows, spear throwing sticks/atlatl, composite stone tools, and needle and thread.

Neanderthals actually had an average brain size of 1,450 cc with a range from 1,125cc to 1,750cc. The average modern human brain size is 1,330cc.

It's also a function of brain weight to body weight. position of the cranial foramina that allows for improved posture and blood circulation and so on and so on. The improvements allowed for faster population growth expansion and eventually swamping Hn population. the cross breeding would have just execrated it.
neanderthals created art, burial ceremonies , speech, technology, weapons ... they were not dumb
 

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Never said they were, but the improvements that did follow were exponentially better.

they are being judged by homo sapiens

if a neanderthal was the judge i think the result would be different
 

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well it seems to me we are judging their intelligence on supposition of evidence thousands of years old with our own biases that we are superior
 

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well it seems to me we are judging their intelligence on supposition of evidence thousands of years old with our own biases that we are superior
Without going into a lengthy dissertation on how these suppositions are arrived at, combined with cerebral neurobiology (not one of my long suits) suffice to say paleontology is not a new science and had lot of time to fine tune its skill set. Georges Cuvier, the father of modern paleontology did his thing in the late 1700's and the techniques have fine tuned themselves at a rapid rate since then.
 
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