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Toke

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Another stupid slam at your much more successful neighbor to the South.

Better Eduction System? Don't make me laugh. Yale/Harvard/Princeton alone squash any competition (if you can even call it that) from you losers.

Heck Canada can't even think of a good enough reason to exist in your present form.
Why/How do they squash any competition? If you answer that correctly, you'll be making an argument for the teachers in this discussion. I'll be waiting.
 

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Another stupid slam at your much more successful neighbor to the South.

Better Eduction System? Don't make me laugh. Yale/Harvard/Princeton alone squash any competition (if you can even call it that) from you losers.

Heck Canada can't even think of a good enough reason to exist in your present form.
It is the majority of students your system fails. I agree the top students are well served. When you look into average literacy and average numeracy it is grim.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Simply put...What's Canada's equivalent to the Ivy Legue?

To say nothning of the likes of Rice/Stanford/Cal-Tech/M.I.T./Berkeley/Duke/North Carolina/Michigan/Boston University/Boston College etc?
Oh, what do we have here. The world education index rankings.

Guess who's ranked 6th and who ranks 13th??!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index




Not yet. I need to know 'what' your question is by asking you to place a societal value on them
I asked first though ;)
 

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Simply put...What's Canada's equivalent to the Ivy Legue?

To say nothning of the likes of Rice/Stanford/Cal-Tech/M.I.T./Berkeley/Duke/North Carolina/Michigan/Boston University/Boston College etc?
U of T ranks higher than most of your examples, though below the very top schools. Again though it is the average student you are failing.
 

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How replaceable are teachers?
there were over 11,000 newly certified teachers in ontario in 2011. 30% were unemployed and 50% were working part time as supply teachers.

newly certified teachers in 2010- 20 percent still unemployed and 60% were working part time.
 

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there were over 11,000 newly certified teachers in ontario in 2011. 30% were unemployed and 50% were working part time as supply teachers.

newly certified teachers in 2010- 20 percent still unemployed and 60% were working part time.
You're assuming they would do the job for less. I wouldn't
 

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It is a mind -numbing average $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work
+they have benefits and a pension most of us can only dream about +
they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus
+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

The average taxpayer who is funding this ridiculous excess makes in the mid to high 40s

Teachers compensation is an inappropriate abuse of the taxpayer and it is unsustainable
Teachers are completely out of touch with the current economic realities.
I can not believe they are thinking about striking

I say fire all of them, then post their jobs at a 25% discount.
There are tons of applicants for teachers positions
If the teachers feel they have it so bad, why don't they just quit. There's tons of jobs in the private sector where you can pull in an average of 83K working 9-5, get a couple weeks off at Christmas, a week off for spring break, get the summer off, never have to work weekends or on statutory holidays, lots of paid sick days and great pension. Oh and you'll likely never get fired or laid off. Have I missed anything? :confused:
 

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If the teachers feel they have it so bad, why don't they just quit. There's tons of jobs in the private sector where you can pull in an average of 83K working 9-5, get a couple weeks off at Christmas, a week off for spring break, get the summer off, never have to work weekends or on statutory holidays, lots of paid sick days and great pension. Oh and you'll likely never get fired or laid off. Have I missed anything? :confused:
Nothing. Except the requirements of getting/completing the job. SMH
 

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And what would those requirements be??
A Post-Grad education to start. BTW, those unemployed teachers everyone wants to use as 'replacements' are actually more educated (i.e. theoretically expensive) than those many are suggesting they replace.
 

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Sounds like Toke believes that nobody else but teachers have a Post-Grad education and therefore deserve more than everyone else.
Not at all. It's just that most arguments are based on perceptions about the profession that are not true. Why should a banker, lawyer, or doctor be paid what they are? They don't need teachers? Many aspects must be taken when arguing what proper compensation is.
 

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Not at all. It's just that most arguments are based on perceptions about the profession that are not true. Why should a banker, lawyer, or doctor be paid what they are? They don't need teachers? Many aspects must be taken when arguing what proper compensation is.
Supply and demand is the usual method.

Right now the union has artificially raised teacher compensation to a point where there are too many people trying to be teachers and not enough jobs for them.

Reducing their pay would correct the over supply of teachers.
 

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Justication

there were over 11,000 newly certified teachers in ontario in 2011. 30% were unemployed and 50% were working part time as supply teachers.

newly certified teachers in 2010- 20 percent still unemployed and 60% were working part time.
Sounds like just about anybody can be a teacher !!!

It still comes down to wages NOT refecting the job,...being artificailly high, due to black mail and a vote buying government.

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Phil C. McNasty

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Sounds like Toke believes that nobody else but teachers have a Post-Grad education and therefore deserve more than everyone else
I'm guessing he votes NDP every 4 years :biggrin1:
 

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and you surely vote PC.
Just out of curiosity, when you vote NDP, do you have to chuck economic common sense out the window?

I think I did it wrong, because I did vote NDP before, but when I did, nobody forced me to sign something saying that the law of supply and demand was a fraud.
 
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