I never said anything about child abuse in the legal sense. I don't want to assume that you think no person can continued to be abused by a parent well past the age of 18 do you?
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I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action. Legally or morally as long as they are mentally fit
Yet people who are abused are often not mentally fit enough to make the choice for themselves. This has been prove time and time again.I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action. Legally or morally as long as they are mentally fit
You can believe what you want, and will be still believe that abuse happens in all ages.
As I said earlier "freely consent". Free consent by definition means willingly and without coercion. When has abuse been proven time and time again in those circumstance among mentally sound adults? I'm not aware of a single one?Yet people who are abused are often not mentally fit enough to make the choice for themselves. This has been prove time and time again.
You can believe what you want, and will be still believe that abuse happens in all ages.
Yes though, people who are not mentally fit would be a different scenario. I just stated that though? How does that change what I said?
Wow - okay I am sorry but I don't have the time to continue on with you. If you feel that anyone over the age can not be abused in way because they can just say no - you go ahead. It not going to make me lose sleep at night. Those who have been abused or witnessed it first hand to other will know different.As I said earlier "freely consent". Free consent by definition means willingly and without coercion. When has abuse been proven time and time again in those circumstance among mentally sound adults? I'm not aware of a single one.
Thanks and goodnight.
Why are you embellishing with things that I haven't said?Wow - okay I am sorry but I don't have the time to continue on with you. If you feel that anyone over the age can not be abused in way because they can just say no - you go ahead. It not going to make me lose sleep at night. Those who have been abused or witnessed it first hand to other will know different.
Thanks and goodnight.
It's her personality. She enjoys arguments and internet fights and actively seeks it. It gives her a rush and thrill. Just ignore her.Why are you embellishing with things that I haven't said?
Thanks... lol... I guess those who can read and have witnessed inaccurate embellishments firsthand will know differentIt's her personality. She enjoys arguments and internet fights and actively seeks it. It gives her a rush and thrill. Just ignore her.
See if you can follow along here for a second as there is no embellishments at all. This is the way I am following the conservation.Thanks... lol... I guess those who can read and have witnessed inaccurate embellishments firsthand will know different
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I saidIn a legal sense, it would not be abuse if the daughter is 18 and freely consents.
I don't want to assume that you think no person can continued to be abused by a parent well past the age of 18 do you?
You said
I saidI don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action.
You then started to question that. In MY opinion it is a waste of time to try and explain further but clearly it is being asked for.Yet people who are abused are often not mentally fit enough to make the choice for themselves.
Those who suffer from battered women syndrome were not freely consenting to being beaten, being controlled, and further abused in other forms. Those who have suffered elder abuse are not consenting either. Both are adults and can freely walk away, yet they apparently consent to stay. However clearly it is not freely consented. It is fear.
There are stories of women being pimped all the time. A part of the reason why people don't like it is because the escort is often abused and therefore not freely consenting to working and yet are adults. You are so hung up on the "freely consenting" part that i think you are failing to realize my point that people who are abuse are not often ABLE to give consent freely even if they are of age to do so. Again falling back to fear. You don't think a mother could easily figure out how to abuse her daughter and can figure out the best type of coercion to get her daughter to work the way she wants???? Strangers can do it, I think mothers can figure it out too.
We disagree on some of those facts which is perfectly fine. I think that people over the 18 can still very clearly be abused. Therefore if it is was a mother doing it to a daughter, it would be child abuse as the daughter is her child. There is all sorts of abuse in the world and a lot of it is not just physical. From the brief postings you have made in this debate, it seemed to me that you are not of this belief. Making comments like "I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult......." leads me to that conclusion. I don't believe anyone can say that a person being abused has freely consented to anything and if they say they have, often times others know different.
However, this is not a debate I wish to continue on with as I don't see the point. I am not fighting, attacking, insulting or anything. I think people over the age of 18 can be abused, you do not. We can agree to disagree. If I have misunderstood your position, that is fine too. I am not trying to be rude here but I really don't care. I shared my opinion, you shared yours.
Good, done, over. Seems really easy to me. Thanks.
I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action.See if you can follow along here for a second as there is no embellishments at all. This is the way I am following the conservation.
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I said
You said
I said
You then started to question that. In MY opinion it is a waste of time to try and explain further but clearly it is being asked for.
Those who suffer from battered women syndrome were not freely consenting to being beaten, being controlled, and further abused in other forms. Those who have suffered elder abuse are not consenting either. Both are adults and can freely walk away, yet they apparently consent to stay. However clearly it is not freely consented. It is fear.
There are stories of women being pimped all the time. A part of the reason why people don't like it is because the escort is often abused and therefore not freely consenting to working and yet are adults. You are so hung up on the "freely consenting" part that i think you are failing to realize my point that people who are abuse are not often ABLE to give consent freely even if they are of age to do so. Again falling back to fear. You don't think a mother could easily figure out how to abuse her daughter and can figure out the best type of coercion to get her daughter to work the way she wants???? Strangers can do it, I think mothers can figure it out too.
We disagree on some of those facts which is perfectly fine. I think that people over the 18 can still very clearly be abused. Therefore if it is was a mother doing it to a daughter, it would be child abuse as the daughter is her child. There is all sorts of abuse in the world and a lot of it is not just physical. From the brief postings you have made in this debate, it seemed to me that you are not of this belief. Making comments like "I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult......." leads me to that conclusion. I don't believe anyone can say that a person being abused has freely consented to anything and if they say they have, often times others know different.
However, this is not a debate I wish to continue on with as I don't see the point. I am not fighting, attacking, insulting or anything. I think people over the age of 18 can be abused, you do not. We can agree to disagree. If I have misunderstood your position, that is fine too. I am not trying to be rude here but I really don't care. I shared my opinion, you shared yours.
Good, done, over. Seems really easy to me. Thanks.
I also said that free consent by definition means done freely and without coercion. I also said the person must be an adult and mentally fit. A child is someone under 18. By your definition a 70 year old could suffer from child abuse. Call CAS and tell them you think a 70 year old is being abused by their parent and see how they respond...lol
Your other examples involve battered womens syndrome and coercion by a pimp. I also said mentally fit and without coercion.
You added those things. I agree that is abuse. For you to argue I said otherwise is untrue and embellished
I am sorry, where was that part? I must of have missed it. Nevermind - I seriously don't care.I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action.
I also said that free consent by definition means done freely and without coercion. I also said the person must be an adult and mentally fit. A child is someone under 18. By your definition a 70 year old could suffer from child abuse. Call CAS and tell them you think a 70 year old is being abused by their parent and see how they respond...lol
Your other examples involve battered womens syndrome and coercion by a pimp. I also said mentally fit and without coercion.
You added those things. I agree that is abuse. For you to argue I said otherwise is untrue and embellished
I went based on what you said. I also just added that if I misunderstood, then fine. I was not arguing different anyways. I was leaving the thread because I had and still have no interests in debating this. So again..... You have your opinion, I have mine. I am okay enough with myself and you to say that we don't agree. For some reason, you have issue with that as well.
Enjoy the thread. It is all yours. Have at it. I really don't care.
Thats the key...mentally fit. I know for a fact that if your abused as a child you are going to suffer when you a adult......which means bad decision making or going along with a action sanctioned by a parent.I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action. Legally or morally as long as they are mentally fit
I have absolutely no issue if we don't agree. Why would I care? I never said we don't agree. I'm really not even sure if we do or not? You never actually gave your view on my statement. Instead you went off on another tangent that only confused me because it was a contradictory argument. Stating an opinion and debating based on fact is perfectly acceptable. Putting words in someone's mouth is different. I don't know the girls background so I don't judge her or her mother. I'm just saying she's an adult and if she's mentally fit and not being coerced by her mother then she is free to make her choice.I am sorry, where was that part? I must of have missed it. Nevermind - I seriously don't care.
I went based on what you said. I also just added that if I misunderstood, then fine. I was not arguing different anyways. I was leaving the thread because I had and still have no interests in debating this. So again..... You have your opinion, I have mine. I am okay enough with myself and you to say that we don't agree. For some reason, you have issue with that as well.
Enjoy the thread. It is all yours. Have at it. I really don't care.
It's possible her only motivation is financial gain by a niche market that her mother and her have created
Originally Posted by firstr8guy
I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action. Legally or morally as long as they are mentally fit
Check reply 44. you pasted the quote in 45?Originally Posted by Ms.FemmeFatale Yet people who are abused are often not mentally fit enough to make the choice for themselves. This has been prove time and time again. You can believe what you want, and will be still believe that abuse happens in all ages
No. I am not checking. I am not fighting this issue with you.Stating an opinion and debating based on fact is perfectly acceptable. Putting words in someone's mouth is different. I don't know the girls background so I don't judge her or her mother. I'm just saying she's an adult and if she's mentally fit and not being coerced by her mother then she is free to make her choice.
It's possible her only motivation is financial gain by a niche market that her mother and her have created
Check reply 44. you pasted the quote in 45?
I have my opinion, you have yours. What is wrong with that? Why can you not just accept that?
You keep talking about putting words in your mouth. You said what you said. I took what you wrote for what I took it for. Period. End of story. You are not changing my mind, I am not changing yours.
Can we be done with this now? Like seriously - what are you looking for from me? What do you want?
What do I want? lolNo. I am not checking. I am not fighting this issue with you.
I have my opinion, you have yours. What is wrong with that? Why can you not just accept that?
I took what you wrote for what I took it for. Period. End of story. You are not changing my mind, I am not changing yours.
Can we be done with this now? Like seriously - what are you looking for from me? What do you want?
Since you ask.. I would like you to stop being so irate when people don't share your opinion
and if you make a mistake or misunderstand a post, be gracious and accept that
Okay, but you say I misunderstood your post. I don't believe I did. So again our opinions differ. I can accept that you don't share my opinion no problem. I am not irate at all. I don't know how many times I have already said I don't really care what your opinion is because it has no affect on me. That is not irate, that is fact.What do I want? lol
Since you ask.. I would like you to stop being so irate when people don't share your opinion
and if you make a mistake or misunderstand a post, be gracious and accept that
I have also said repeatedly I am not fighting with you and again I have also repeatedly said to agree to disagree.
I asked direct questions to understand your position properly. I have come to the conclusions that I have.
I think the question now is can you accept that?
That was my statement. Your statements were already answered by that statement before you said them and I never disagreed with any of your examples but you just kept arguing.I don't believe anyone suffers from abuse when they are an adult and freely consent to an action. Legally or morally as long as they are mentally fit.
You haven't asked me a single direct question except in regard to your right to an opinion which I answered. So I'm completely baffled on how you "carefully" came to your conclusions???
Anyone who reads can see that. Take a look??
So you fall back on the agree to disagree which is just a cop out to prevent taking ownership for your mistakes.
Okay so short answer - you can not just let it go, accept that we disagree and move on. Good to know. Thanks for at least properly answering that question.That was my statement. Your direct questions/statements were already answered by that statement before you said them and I never disagreed with any of your examples but you just kept arguing. You haven't asked me a single question except in regard to your right to an opinion which I answered
Anyone who reads can see that. So you fall back on the agree to disagree which is just a cop out for taking ownership for that.
I said a page ago, this is a waste of time. I have my opinion and you have yours. I believe what I believe about your opinion based on what you wrote. I take full ownership for that. Never denied that one bit.
I am done now. Whether you can accept that or not, is now your issue. Not mine.
