Interesting read re. Global warming
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There have been cycles, but never cycles with 7 billion humans doing their thing, so there's no 'may' about it. 'We', meaning humans, haven't gone through 'many' ice periods, just one, unless you count the medieval mini chill for a half. So you basically are saying since we can't do much, so let's do nothing? I don't know about you, but if I can slow down the next cycle apex for a few generation I'll be happy and so will the next generation.
I'm not saying we shouldn’t do all we can. I play my part in preserving my environment and I believe we should all be responsible for our actions to ensure a better tomorrow . I’m simply saying we have only accelerated what is going to happen anyway. Humans are not the cause of global warming, it’s a natural cycle.
Plus, I’m not losing sleep over global warming for my family now or for generations to come. There are more issues closer to home, cancer, heart disease etc……
Fair enough. Loss sleep no, but try and have the skeptics learn something. Cyanid is also natural, but that doesn't mean good for you or you shouldn't be careful handling it..
Its your side who's looking weak, rockie.
I've shown you a list of scientists who deny global warming is as catastrophic as alarmists like Al Gore are making it out to be. Now can you furnish us with a compete list of all the names of this 97% you're talking about??!!
And I want a complete list, with names and academic credentials.
And you better make it good, because I have a new bombshell waiting for you later tonight when I have more time
Really? I'll let others make up their mind on you now. i wonder how many will think of you in a good light.
Thats what I figured, you have no list. You're full of shit!!
It gets worse too, stay tuned later tonight
Did you actually think there would be a single list with all of them listed? Of course you didn't. If you did, your condition is worse than first thought.
Do you have a spray on orange coloured tan and a bad comb over?
Then show me a list with a few hundred or so.
I bet you still cant. And I'll prove why later tonight
No tan. But you might be in need of one, since you average 20+ posts per day and probably forgot what sunlight looks like
Following up on my post from this morning, it has been confirmed by the Nobel committee that hockey-stick guy Michael Mann was never awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
See post 17: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...s-suit-against-Mark-Steyn-and-National-Review
Given that Mann is one of the IPCC`s leading alarmists, this is a serious blow to the credibility of the alarmists.
Mann wasn`t just padding his online resume with this Nobel Prize nonsense. It was also a central point in a document he filed with the courts this week.
See post 17: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...s-suit-against-Mark-Steyn-and-National-Review
Given that Mann is one of the IPCC`s leading alarmists, this is a serious blow to the credibility of the alarmists.
Mann wasn`t just padding his online resume with this Nobel Prize nonsense. It was also a central point in a document he filed with the courts this week.
Do you have a link where Mann claimed to have a Nobel prize??
I wanna have a good laugh
To be accurate, it's no longer even a "movement"...any semblance of movement is actually in reverse....on a scale of issues, it's barely even an occasional topic....it's fizzled
Yup. It's on his Facebook page (at least, it's still there as of this writing):
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/437351706321037
In case the wording changes, here is the exact quote:
Even worse, it's in a court document he filed this week launching a lawsuit against Mark Steyn and National Review, including a reference on Page 2:
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-mann-complaint.pdf
Even the Nobel committee had to rebuke him:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50598
Oh man, thats embarrassing :biggrin1:
More here: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331738/michael-manns-false-nobel-claim-charles-c-w-cooke#
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50598
Oh man, thats embarrassing :biggrin1:
More here: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331738/michael-manns-false-nobel-claim-charles-c-w-cooke#
The whole thing is hilarious -- particularly when you consider he launched this suit to try to defend his credibility.
What a clown.
By the way, Kevin ("it is a travesty") Trenberth -- a lead author on some of the IPCC reports on global warming -- is another fake Nobel laureate.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth-cv.html
Although at least some of Trenberth's online information is a bit more accurate than Mann's stuff.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth-cv.html
Although at least some of Trenberth's online information is a bit more accurate than Mann's stuff.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
How about 130 in Canada alone?
http://www.cmos.ca/mediacontents.html#OpenLetter2008
An Open Letter on Climate Change Science to all Canadian Elected Government Leaders June 2008
Twenty years ago, Canada, as a leader in international environmental issues, hosted a conference in Toronto entitled "Our Changing Atmosphere: Implications for Global Security" The participants concluded that: "Humanity is conducting an unintended, uncontrolled, globally pervasive experiment, whose ultimate consequences are second only to global nuclear war."
Two years ago, climate science leaders from the academic, public and private sectors across Canada, conveyed in a letter to the Prime Minister their views on the current state of knowledge of climate change and called for national leadership in addressing the issue.
In our opinion, tackling climate change has become an even more urgent concern since that 2006 letter.
The Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change placed before the global community definitive scientific evidence regarding the threat of climate change.
In awarding the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize to IPCC, the Nobel Committee, a committee of the Norwegian Parliament, framed climate change as an issue of global peace and security. It stated "Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man's control."
New analyses show that global greenhouse gas concentrations are increasing, sea level rising and Arctic sea ice decreasing faster than projected only a few years ago.
Water shortages are predicted in the western Prairies, the Okanagan and in the Great Lakes basin. Earlier targets to avoid human interference with the climate system are now seen to be inadequate.
Addressing greenhouse gas emissions will require a polluter-pay approach and absolute emission caps.
Adaptation to the inevitable impacts of climate change is now imperative and we need a national adaptation strategy to minimize those impacts and gain whatever benefits there may be.
We are concerned that the pace with which action is being taken in Canada does not reflect adequately the urgency of the threat. Finally, we believe that sound policy continues to require good scientific input.
There is need for further investments in research and systematic monitoring to track the rate and nature of changes, to understand what is happening now, to refine projections of future changes and to analyse the opportunities and threats presented by these changes. In less than 18 months, the global community will convene in Copenhagen to put in place a new agreement to address climate change.
We sincerely hope that, based on the compelling science at hand, our political leaders display the urgency and determination that we believe is required.
Yours sincerely:
Signed by 130 Canadian climate science leaders from the academic, public and private sectors across the country
The names followed the above letter, but won't C&P.
It's worth noting that the letter quoted above supporting the IPCC's work was sent two years before Phil Jones testified that the IPCC doesn't practice scientific principles such as peer review.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/mar/01/phil-jones-commons-emails-inquiry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/mar/01/phil-jones-commons-emails-inquiry
You count them from the 2007 Bali conference on the climate. ~250+
| 2007 Bali Climate Declaration by Scientists This consensus document was prepared under the auspices of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia . The 2007 IPCC report, compiled by several hundred climate scientists, has unequivocally concluded that our climate is warming rapidly, and that we are now at least 90% certain that this is mostly due to human activities. The amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere now far exceeds the natural range of the past 650,000 years, and it is rising very quickly due to human activity. If this trend is not halted soon, many millions of people will be at risk from extreme events such as heat waves, drought, floods and storms, our coasts and cities will be threatened by rising sea levels, and many ecosystems, plants and animal species will be in serious danger of extinction. The next round of focused negotiations for a new global climate treaty (within the 1992 UNFCCC process) needs to begin in December 2007 and be completed by 2009. The prime goal of this new regime must be to limit global warming to no more than 2ºC above the pre-industrial temperature, a limit that has already been formally adopted by the European Union and a number of other countries. Based on current scientific understanding, this requires that global greenhouse gas emissions need to be reduced by at least 50% below their 1990 levels by the year 2050. In the long run, greenhouse gas concentrations need to be stabilised at a level well below 450 ppm (parts per million; measured in CO[SUB]2[/SUB]-equivalent concentration). In order to stay below 2ºC, global emissions must peak and decline in the next 10 to 15 years, so there is no time to lose. As scientists, we urge the negotiators to reach an agreement that takes these targets as a minimum requirement for a fair and effective global climate agreement. http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/news/2007/Bali.html The letter was sign by over 250 scientist, found at the above link but is too long to post in one post. |
How about ~1800 in the USA alone,
from http://www.gcrio.org/OnLnDoc/pdf/THE_STATE_OF_CLIMATE_SCIENCE.pdf
followed by 30 pages of signatures
from http://www.gcrio.org/OnLnDoc/pdf/THE_STATE_OF_CLIMATE_SCIENCE.pdf
followed by 30 pages of signatures
