Suspected ukrainian shoplifter shoots dead three securities and escapes

Ceiling Cat

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I can not understand if he is on the run, but if he is he has as much chance as Luka Rocco Magnotta had trying to outrun the law.
More likely is will be killed by poorly trained cops in the Ukraine or vigilantes.
 

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I can not understand if he is on the run, but if he is he has as much chance as Luka Rocco Magnotta had trying to outrun the law.
More likely is will be killed by poorly trained cops in the Ukraine or vigilantes.
It seems to me that any vigilante who sees this guy on the street would be well advised to turn around and walk the other way.
 

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It seems to me that any vigilante who sees this guy on the street would be well advised to turn around and walk the other way.
The tuffian security guard (his first victim) that was in his face should be so lucky to get that advice. (6:50 in the video)

There is sure to be a huge bounty on him, maybe one of his scumbag friends will turn him in. I will bet you that when he was eating his breakfast blini that morning, he never thought that he would end up a hunted murderous bastard.
 

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I've seen video like this before where about 4 friends were all killed wrestling with a gunman during a stickup. In that video and this one, the soon-to-be-victims fight with the gunman, but they never try to take control of the gunman's arm or hand holding the gun. If they did that they could potentially force him to drop the weapon (it's better to get hit with fists than shot dead) or force him to empty the clip everywhere but into their bodies. Maybe we're not programmed to act that way in a surprise attack but it's clearly a fatal mistake.
 

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The thing with gun laws in Russia and Ukraine is that actual guns are illegal but so called traumatic guns are easy to get. Traumatics use rubber bullets only.
So whenever a perceived small criminal pulls a gun, it is assumed to be a traumatic one.
 

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I have been handling guns of all sorts throughout my life, I have never even heard of traumatic guns. These guns are only available in Russia and the old communist countries. They are real guns that have been modified to fire rubber bullets and are meant for self defense. Any gun, real or traumatic gun is dangerous in the hands of a person that is not experienced. Note in the video at 0:17 how the shooter chambers the bullet, he places his palm in the path of the barrel. The fool can damage his hand if the gun went off. In my opinion these traumatic guns can be as dangerous as real guns. They should not be allowed on the market.

These guns have the same mechanism as real guns, the only difference is that the barrel is smaller to accept the rubber cartridges. These weapons can be drilled out with a lathe or even very crudely with a hand drill to accept real bullets.

 
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