subsidized housing

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should there be a limit how long one can get subsidized housing?

 

[FAST]

Should know

should there be a limit how long one can get subsidized housing?

Check with Olivia Chow's mother !!

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i would rather give them a rent free space for a year so they can save money to buy or move to a place they can afford, but limit the time to one year- allow others who need a leg up a chance

 

[Celticman]

Check with Olivia Chow's mother !!

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Olivia Chow and Jack Layton were famous for abusing subsidised housing back in the day. They were exposed (Toronto Sun?) as having a fair sized combined income and living in a prime spot at a greatly reduced rent. They had to move out and gave some mealy mouthed explanation. Real silk stocking socialsts.

Olivia was quoted as explaining that her mother was very angry when her garbage was picked up "late" by the newly contracted out garbage pickup crew. Laughable.

I have had some social contact with Olivia and Jack in the past. Completely likeable, so I find this other side of them to be hard to understand.

 

[Rockslinger]

There was a recent thread titled "Community Housing" that also discusses this subject. It is my understanding that there are generations of the same family who live in community housing as a way of life (grandparents, parents, kids, and so on).

 

[Babypowder]

Olivia Chow and Jack Layton were famous for abusing subsidised housing back in the day. They were exposed (Toronto Sun?) as having a fair sized combined income and living in a prime spot at a greatly reduced rent. They had to move out and gave some mealy mouthed explanation. Real silk stocking socialsts.

Olivia was quoted as explaining that her mother was very angry when her garbage was picked up "late" by the newly contracted out garbage pickup crew. Laughable.

I have had some social contact with Olivia and Jack in the past. Completely likeable, so I find this other side of them to be hard to understand.

Some one on here clearly stated before that it was a mixed income Residence.

Layton and Chow were also the subject of some dispute when a June 14, 1990, Toronto Star article by Tom Kerr accused them of unfairly living in a housing cooperative subsidized by the federal government, despite their high income.[35] Layton and Chow had both lived in the Hazelburn co-op since 1985, and lived together in an $800 per month three-bedroom apartment after their marriage in 1988. By 1990, their combined annual income was $120,000, and in March of that year they began voluntarily paying an additional $325 per month to offset their share of the co-op's Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy, the only members of the co-op to do so. In response to the article, the co-op's board argued that having mixed-income tenants was crucial to the success of co-ops, and that the laws deliberately set aside apartments for those willing to pay market rates, such as Layton and Chow.[36] During the late 1980s and early 1990s they maintained approximately 30% of their units as low income units and provided the rest at what they considered market rent. In June 1990, the city's solicitor cleared the couple of any wrongdoing,[37] and later that month, Layton and Chow left the co-op and bought a house in Toronto's Chinatown together with Chow's mother, a move they said had been planned for some time.[38] Former Toronto mayor John Sewell later wrote in NOW that rival Toronto city councillor Tom Jakobek had given the story to Tom Kerr.[39]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Layton


but i dont expect much from someone who throws the word socalist around like it's a synonym for murderer.

 

[dirkd101]

We live in a welfare state, there will always be subsidized housing and subsidized this and susidized that. There is no end to it.

 

[canada-man]

if employers pay their employees instead of hiding and hording their wealth in offshore accounts less people would need subsidized housing

 

[Nate1]

if employees pay their employees instead of hiding and hording their wealth in offshore accounts less people would need subsidized housing

... +1

 

[Coors]

if employers pay their employees instead of hiding and hording their wealth in offshore accounts less people would need subsidized housing

Spoken like a true socialist. The poor Ontario worker is so hard done by.

 

[canada-man]

Spoken like a true socialist. The poor Ontario worker is so hard done by.

spoken like a true cheap labour conservative ignoring the facts that shows stagnant wages when people are working harder today and work more hours

 

[Nate1]

Spoken like a true socialist. The poor Ontario worker is so hard done by.

Spoken like a conservative ideolog. Often these days it's the poor off-shore worker who is fattening the off-shore bank accounts of the Man.

For the record, I have a well paid corporate job and a decent net worth. It's the middle income jobs that have disapeared.

 

[Petzel]

spoken like a true cheap labour conservative ignoring the facts that shows stagnant wages when people are working harder today and work more hours

I have to agree with you on this. Everything increases except wages! People are lucky if they get any annual increases at all! It's disgusting. When someone retires now they save money by splitting that job between 2 other workers so they don't have to hire another worker and they save on salary expense this way. So people are working harder and longer for the same money when everything is increasing.
Also, the more CEOs who award themselves huge bonuses and companies that are making record profits while the average ordinary little man has to struggle to even maintain his standard of living the more socialist the society will need to become. This will go on for as long as there are huge corporate tax savings while not increasing jobs or salaries more! The social programs are needed to help those who are affected by the greedy and uncaring capitalists.

 

[simon482]

the waiting list for subsidized housing is a few years long and you have to wait for someone to move out or die before you can get in. so even if you put your name on the list and qualified by the time you actually got it you wouldn't need it anymore or they wouldn't know where to find you. my ex's mother was on welfare for 22 years and with 5 kids was making over 3,000$ a month and had a subsidized townhouse and was paying 250$ a month for it and 1/2 of all utilities. the whole cul-de-sac she lived on was subsidized and on welfare and everyone sat in the kitchen window and watched everyone else. cops were on the street at least 2 times a day cuz the neighbors called on each other all the time. it truly is a trailer park white trash mentality.

 

[Petzel]

the waiting list for subsidized housing is a few years long and you have to wait for someone to move out or die before you can get in. so even if you put your name on the list and qualified by the time you actually got it you wouldn't need it anymore or they wouldn't know where to find you. my ex's mother was on welfare for 22 years and with 5 kids was making over 3,000$ a month and had a subsidized townhouse and was paying 250$ a month for it and 1/2 of all utilities. the whole cul-de-sac she lived on was subsidized and on welfare and everyone sat in the kitchen window and watched everyone else. cops were on the street at least 2 times a day cuz the neighbors called on each other all the time. it truly is a trailer park white trash mentality.

Sounds like somewhere and some people I know! :Eek:

 

[simon482]

Spoken like a conservative ideolog. Often these days it's the poor off-shore worker who is fattening the off-shore bank accounts of the Man.

For the record, I have a well paid corporate job and a decent net worth. It's the middle income jobs that have disapeared.

so should everyone get a white collar job ? then who would do the blue collar work ?

 

[simon482]

Sounds like somewhere and some people I know! :Eek:

when she moved out the landlord had to pull 2 dumpsters to take the garbage then gut the house and redo the whole thing. that was standard though every time someone left it would be a few dumpsters and then a full gutting.

 

[Petzel]

when she moved out the landlord had to pull 2 dumpsters to take the garbage then gut the house and redo the whole thing. that was standard though every time someone left it would be a few dumpsters and then a full gutting.

Actually i'm not surprised at all. I agree that this seems standard for subsidized housing.

 

[Nate1]

so should everyone get a white collar job ? then who would do the blue collar work ?

Not all Simon.

Many of the best blue collar jobs have either been shipped to less well paying locations or reduced some other way. In some cases this has resulted in lower cost goods (lots of big screen TV's out there), along with this the owners of the capital have increased their share of the pie relative to the rest of society.

I think we should try and create/keep well paying blue collar jobs locally and speaking for myself I would be willing to pay a little extra for my goods to do so. But I expect the capital owners to also pay their historic share.

 

[simon482]

Not all Simon.

Many of the best blue collar jobs have either been shipped to less well paying locations or reduced some other way. In some cases this has resulted in lower cost goods (lots of big screen TV's out there), along with this the owners of the capital have increased their share of the pie relative to the rest of society.

I think we should try and create/keep well paying blue collar jobs locally and speaking for myself I would be willing to pay a little extra for my goods to do so. But I expect the capital owners to also pay their historic share.

the way i see it that won't happen. the cost might go up but that won't change where things get manufactured. jobs are being shipped to other countries cuz people in north america (more america than us) have an entitled opinion of themselves and don't think they should have to do a menial labour job. everyone thinks they should get right out of school and start at the top of their profession. hell my grandpa and the generations before him got into a job at 13-14 years old or earlier and stayed there until they died and moved up the ladder that way, not anymore. buncha spoiled brats out there. i wasn't trying to antagonize either, i guess i may have been tired and misunderstood what you were saying.