Why do you feel things or skills of value have something to do with going to university?
The issue of tipping
- Thread starter JamesDouglas
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i say that because a server doesn't need to go to university to learn how to do that job but gets paid as much as a person that does go to university and learns valuable trade and becomes skilled. a waiter/waitress is not something that is worth the 30$ an hour they make with tips. pay them minimum wage cuz it is a minimum wage job.
every single profession and every time someone hands you something in a professional capacity you need to bust out your wallet and throw a tip at them. why only the people that bring food but only at certain places.
I guess the rest of the world disagrees with you.
And I wonder if servers really make as much as university grads on average. I suspect not.
When I travel on company business I generously tip the hotel doorman, bellboy and chambermaid. Those folks don't get paid a regular salary so they live on their tips.
oddly enough I was talking with a bell boy last week. He said that the people who often need his help the most, the elderly, are really cheap on tipping and often would give a quarter a bag or nothing for a tip when he took their bags up to their room. It got so bad that the hotel refused to take senior's buses as clients until they negotiated a contract where the tour company paid for the luggage to be taken up to the room at a flat rate.
30-40$ an hour if they are good at what they do plus the wage they get. also the rest of the world doesn't disagree with me, lots of places in the world pay the servers a wage and don't rely on the customer to make up with they don't feel like paying. mostly western civilization that rewards people for dropping out of school.
not saying not to tip. i am saying that you need to tip more. why only tip the lowest jobs out there, tip every single job. you order a pizza give the delivery guy a tip for sure, but you now will need to give him a tip to take back with him to the guy that cooked it.
Oh, you mean all those servers should stay in school and nobody should serve us. Well thought out.
So what do servers in the rest of the world get paid. And do you think all western world workers should get paid third world wages?
you're not very bright are you. what i am saying is it is that the owner of the restaurant should pay the full wage and not dump his lack of desire to pay his workers on me. how would you like it if your boss came up to you and said he was only gonna pay you half what he normally does and now you can go to the clients you deal with and get the rest. it is a stupid and incredibly flawed system.
no i am not saying they should all stay in school, hell a lot of them pay for school doing that. cool, more power to them it is not my problem to pay them.
where did i even suggest that people here should get 3rd world wages.
how the fuck do i know what they get paid in other countries. i talk to people and read what other people say and i listen to what i am told. tips in other parts of the world are in either not allowed or in some cases an insult.
How is the revolution going if the system so stupid?
And my boss says stupid things to me all the time, I work for myself.
But if you want to compare how our way of renumerating servers with how it is done in other parts of the world, it is useful to know the figures involved to see what those countries consider a fair wage for servers. In fact to be fair about it you have to look at the economics of the whole business is both sides of the comparison to do it any justice. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke.
Seriously though...how can you make an economic argument about tipping here compared to any other culture, without knowing the economics on both ends? It becomes pure speculation doesn't it?
i can tell you in a lot of places i have been in the u.s the average wage is about 4-5$ an hour and those people manage. so the 10.25$ up here should be plenty. what ia m arguing is why only the servers getting a tip, why not every occupation. why doesn't every boss in every job just refuse to pay and tell the employee to go collect off the customer. the tipping aspect of life should be removed, it is stupid and archaic.
from what i have been told and read here and from other sources, the economy of the other places does not factor in to whether the server gets a tip or not, in some places in the world it is just outright now allowed. why do those countries pay their server a full wage but in our country they get away with dumping the cost of running a business flatly on the customer. then you get mandatory tipping on a party bigger than 6-8 people (depending on the establishment). a tip should be voluntary on every level if given at all.
Please tell me the name of the establishment where they make this amount so I can go there tomorrow.
So where is it better? You mentioned Europe is worse; which I believe is where 'tipping' is not common. So basically you are in favour of a tipping system in getting better service.Service at restaurants is abysmal in Canada. We have one of the worst in the World, except maybe for Europe and the Third World.
I am surprised to see that, even though these people's salary depend on customer satisfaction, they could care less. I have seen it all, from the hot dog stand on the street to McDonalds to the fanciest restaurants in Toronto.
I happen to have very high standards when it comes to service (of all kind, including SPs of course) and I can't stand when I am getting bad service. In these situations I do not tip and I write a note on the slip that says "tip is earned by providing excellent customer service, try harder next time...."
When I receive good service I tip 10%, if I receive excellent service 15% and, 20% if she has big tits and pretends I am her best customer
So I weighed in at the beginning. Have seen and read a few things. Time to add a bit I think.
Servers in Ontario(and most other places) are paid a lower rate than minimum. By law
We don't get paid at an overtime rate for working on holidays.
Very few get 30-40 an hour in tips. Decent rate for a medium place would be closer to 20. And for only dinner and for a window of say 5 hours.
I might add that servers generally work holidays, special days(valentines, mothers, new years) so the rest of you can celebrate and enjoy. I didn't see my mother for several years on mothers day, nor SO's on valentines. Basically I worked nights weekends and holidays. When I was a bartender worked so others could enjoy the playoffs etc.
And we always had to be nice, no matter what, no matter how rude, drunk, belligerant people became( and believe me there is no day worse than mother's day!).
So we received decent compensation. With a tax free bonus.
I've read sof studies where serving is ranked third highest for stress on the job. On a busy night we RAN. No scheduled breaks. Work till you are done. And not just the tables. After service we had the sidework to prep the dining room for the next day. Again this isn't whining. I chose to be there and deal with all of this because of the compensation. But until you have done it(walked a mile in these shoes) you really can't know how tough it can be at times.
Of final note when I receive crap service I don't tip either. And inform mngt why.
The professoinal in me hates to see others lowering the business.
Cheers!
Servers in Ontario(and most other places) are paid a lower rate than minimum. By law
We don't get paid at an overtime rate for working on holidays.
Very few get 30-40 an hour in tips. Decent rate for a medium place would be closer to 20. And for only dinner and for a window of say 5 hours.
I might add that servers generally work holidays, special days(valentines, mothers, new years) so the rest of you can celebrate and enjoy. I didn't see my mother for several years on mothers day, nor SO's on valentines. Basically I worked nights weekends and holidays. When I was a bartender worked so others could enjoy the playoffs etc.
And we always had to be nice, no matter what, no matter how rude, drunk, belligerant people became( and believe me there is no day worse than mother's day!).
So we received decent compensation. With a tax free bonus.
I've read sof studies where serving is ranked third highest for stress on the job. On a busy night we RAN. No scheduled breaks. Work till you are done. And not just the tables. After service we had the sidework to prep the dining room for the next day. Again this isn't whining. I chose to be there and deal with all of this because of the compensation. But until you have done it(walked a mile in these shoes) you really can't know how tough it can be at times.
Of final note when I receive crap service I don't tip either. And inform mngt why.
The professoinal in me hates to see others lowering the business.
Cheers!
