Shooting by empire state building.
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WEll I wonder what a certain terbite would have to say about this? I forgot his handle.
In the thread about the saginaw cops who shot a guy with a knife 30 times he claimed it was due to the poor funding of the undermaned saginaw police force.
So I wonder what the NYPDs excuse is?
I like the suggestion of a previous poster..... like in a game of baseball call "mine" for the pop fly
In the thread about the saginaw cops who shot a guy with a knife 30 times he claimed it was due to the poor funding of the undermaned saginaw police force.
So I wonder what the NYPDs excuse is?
I like the suggestion of a previous poster..... like in a game of baseball call "mine" for the pop fly
What was the ethnicity of the perp anyways?
I hope he's caublasian (white/black/asian mix) that's gotta pay 1000:1
I hope he's caublasian (white/black/asian mix) that's gotta pay 1000:1
Looks like we all want to play "Monday Morning Quarterback". Anybody here ever had a gun pulled on them by someone who just murdered another person in cold blood?
No but it's not part of the profession that I'm paid to do.
I think the expectations on my shooting prowess vs someone who holsters a gun every day and is trained to use it are quite different.In an average shootout a cop will hit on target 2 out of 10 shots. The rest of the bullets need to go somewhere. Unfortunately there were plenty of people around and they got hit by the stray bullets.
Looking at the situation AFTER it has happened its easy to say what the cops could have done. But being there in that moment is a whole lot different.
Everyone talks a big game but no one has ever been in those cops situation.
Looking at the situation AFTER it has happened its easy to say what the cops could have done. But being there in that moment is a whole lot different.
Everyone talks a big game but no one has ever been in those cops situation.
As the greatest Monday morning quarterback in the history of football, I fully understand. We can all do a better job than real policepeople, that is why we are not real policepeople.
Everyone is better than everyone else. Human nature 101, this effect multiplies x10000000 when on the internet
I was a few blocks away, it was a mess. Cops capped his ass many times. Guy thought he could get away, he almost did.....
I dunno about you fuji, but the shooter (Jeffrey Johnson) looks white to me:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-deserved-a-nice-girlfriend-article-1.1144265
If you shoot and kill someone and then point your gun at cops they're going to unload on you. That's what they're trained to do. No one should be surprised.
I didn't say I could do better. And that's not really an argument to even bother making.
Is it wrong to expect better from people who are expected to do a specific task?
If a doctor had a cure rate of 60% (arbitrary number) would it be wrong to hope/want/expect the doctor to strive to do better?
If I was one of the cops there and accidentally shot a bystander I would train to be better and I wouldn't take it personally if some suggested that I should get more training/practice.
Hell even the best of the best at what they do continue to train (e.g. Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Peyton Manning...... sorry using sports as they are well known figures)
Why not say 1 out of 5 instead of 2 out of 10
Again as I said to rock, I don't claim I could do better and it's not meant to be an insult to expect the cops to do better. Asking them to improve from a 2 dead and 9 injured outcome is not much to ask. I don't expect perfection nor have I suggested that cops should be machines and thus perfect...... but this might be good argument for robocop.
In a similar thread someone suggested that it was lack of funding and manpower that contributed to 6 cops shooting a knife weilder 30 times.
I am just suggesting that if training is the issue lets cough up some cash for it. More useful than pics of mars if you ask me.
On the other hand, Ted Williams, the greatest hitter who ever lived, had a success rate of 34.4%. It is all relative. Sure, in a perfect world, the cops would have disabled the man by shooting the gun out of his hand, but let's get real.
But he isn't a spree killer. He shot one guy he had a longstanding gripe with and then walked away. Everyone else was shot by the police when they confronted him a short while later.
As for the cops we simply don't know enough about what happened or how quickly to know if they were being reasonable.
There are several posters on this thread who now look like complete dorks for jumping all over this as if it were a spree killing by a white guy--because in the end, this was just a garden variety murderer.
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Absolutely that's why I pointed out that the 60% cure rate for a doctor was an arbitrary number.
You're right in baseball 1/3 for batting average makes you a star.
So if you tell me 2 dead and 9 injured is normal then I say let's at least try for 1 dead and 10 injured next time.
I am aware that success if relative which is why I never said cops need to be perfect. Again I am just saying that the job could be done better (which means less fatalities/injuries) not perfectly.
I think you pro cop (in this thread not in general) guys are assuming that the monday morning qbs are expecting perfection. I can't speak for all of them but I can at least say that I am suggesting that they could have done it better and if not then that is a problem that needs to be addressed.
I can't be certain but I don't think any of the QBs said that the cops need to be perfect. The general sentiment that I got was that it could have been handled better which is a far cry from the words being put in our mouths.
If it's okay to expect medical science to cure aids and improve cancer treatment then I see no reason why we can't expect improvements in police procedure. Improvements in police procedures was attributed to being one of the factors for dramatically improving NYC's crime rates so it goes to show that change is possible.
He might not be a spree killer, but he caused 2 deaths (including his own) and 10 people were injured. Thats quite a mayhem he's responsible for.
Maybe some of the victims the cops shot are now permanently disabled
Says the guy who didnt know the difference between a serial and a spree killer
