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Anbarandy

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Wednesday August 8, 2012

Karissa Donkin Staff Reporter Toronto Star


The second day on the job for Green for Life (GFL) Environment Corp. didn’t go much better than the first day.

Waste services general manager Jim Harnum said GFL was behind on Wednesday’s waste pickup operations as of late afternoon.

He expected all garbage and organic material would be picked up by 8:30 p.m. but didn’t expect all recycling to be collected before day’s end. An additional 20 GFL trucks were dispatched to help with recycling pickup around 4:30 p.m.
“GFL will again be bringing in additional resources (Thursday) in an effort to catch up,” Harnum said in a statement.

“Our goal is to have all garbage, organic material, leaf and yard waste, and recycling completed by Friday evening.”

The “majority” of areas not completed during GFL’s first day on the job were completed by mid-afternoon Wednesday, Harnum added.

“We would like to apologize for the inconvenience during this transition period and ask residents for their continued patience.

“We would also ask that residents continue to leave their material out until it has been picked up.”

GFL missed its pickup deadline on day 1 as the company adjusted to picking up waste from 165,000 households between Yonge St. and the Humber River.

Councillor Gord Perks (Ward 14, Parkdale-High Park) was still waiting for bulky items, including mattresses, to be picked up from his home, 24 hours later than scheduled.

It’s now considered a missed pickup and will be collected in the next three business days, he said.

“I’m not entirely surprised,” Perks said.

“During the debate at council, many of us expressed shock that Green For Life’s price was so low and felt that they couldn’t deliver the same quality of services we had with public-sector (employees) at that price.”

GFL’s contract is expected to save the city about $11 million per year. Its bid was $2.5 million per year lower than the next competitor.

Perks, who voted against the agreement, wants the administration to issue the company a warning in writing.

“If it continues in the next week, we should start fining them.

“If they needed to hire extra people to have available while they got the bugs out of their system, they should have done that. Why should we pay them when they haven’t delivered?”



The inevitable: As expected, GFL has hoodwinked the city. Unable to meet the performance standards of their contract at the price point they bid and which was hastily and blindly accepted. Shocker!

It's not about a 'worker' learning curve, it's about sly and deceitful ownership and lap puppy management.

Sends in a rescue squad of 20 extra trucks and crew and still can't get it right.

Time to withhold payment and cash in some of dem' performance bonds. Hah!
 
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Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. Albert Einstein said that. I can only assume, Anabrandy, that you have never done anything of consequence in your small life, thus you aren't familiar with how difficult it is to get new things off the ground. You must miss Oprah - I'm sure she made you feel good about never leaving your house (the one your ex husband paid for, by working).
 

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Anyone who is prepared to make any kind of definitive judgement after two days in a start-up is a complete idiot. Anbarandy, as Blackrock 13 would say, you are a maroon and you can join your friend Mr Perks.
 

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Anbarandy, you know why we are paying these guys. Because the City of Toronto garbage workers are complete assholes who tried to hold the city at ransom, and behaved in absolutely appalling and obnoxious ways a few years back, antagonizing practically everyone who lives in the city. That's why.
 

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Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. Albert Einstein said that. I can only assume, Anabrandy, that you have never done anything of consequence in your small life, thus you aren't familiar with how difficult it is to get new things off the ground. You must miss Oprah - I'm sure she made you feel good about never leaving your house (the one your ex husband paid for, by working).
Nonsense. G-arbage F-or L-ife has been in the 'garbage vending' business long enough to not be classified as a 'newbie'. They had 9 months to prepare. Their crews 'allegedly' had 16 weeks of training plus 'dry runs' on their newly minted and GFL-routed routes. Classifying GFL's hoodwinking of Toronto and breaching of their contract as 'difficult to get new things off the ground' is pure rubbish.

Fact of the matter is, and for all of those who are unfamiliar with labor and I must assume this is the lot for the vast majority of the 'brains' on this site, is that the crews and equipment are calculatedly understaffed and underdeployed.
 
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Anyone who is prepared to make any kind of definitive judgement after two days in a start-up is a complete idiot. Anbarandy, as Blackrock 13 would say, you are a maroon and you can join your friend Mr Perks.
The evidence is in. Just smell the stench. They cannot do the job with their 'calculated' understaffing and paucity of equipment.

Beef up. Lose money. Fess up and leave.
 

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Anbarandy, you know why we are paying these guys. Because the City of Toronto garbage workers are complete assholes who tried to hold the city at ransom, and behaved in absolutely appalling and obnoxious ways a few years back, antagonizing practically everyone who lives in the city. That's why.
We are paying these guys to fulfill the terms of their contract which is quite evident they are not. Now, I'm not sure what privater sector business world you guys are from, but as Doug the Slug would say, "in the real business world where I came from(hahhaha)' this is called breaching the terms of the contract.

What I find especially nauseating yet laughable is that those who pee their pants with glee about 'pirvate sector' contracting out of labor are those who are unable to labor.
 
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If they do not fulfill the terms of their contract, we can fire them and hire a different contractor who will. Either way, the assholes who held the city hostage and actively antagonized voters get a big fuck you.
 

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It is a dirty, physically demanding job and whoever does it deserves a decent living wage......but I'll give the new guys a few weeks to see if they can get their act together
 

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Anbarandy, you know why we are paying these guys. Because the City of Toronto garbage workers are complete assholes who tried to hold the city at ransom, and behaved in absolutely appalling and obnoxious ways a few years back, antagonizing practically everyone who lives in the city. That's why.
Those who had their 'trashy habits' under control didn't have a problem. The ones who felt 'held hostage' were those who produce mountains of trash as their 'God given right'. Taking their 'trashy habits' trash to the transfer station was certainly an eye opener eh?

Unwelcoming wasn't it?
 

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Those who had their 'trashy habits' under control didn't have a problem. The ones who felt 'held hostage' were those who produce mountains of trash as their 'God given right'. Taking their 'trashy habits' trash to the transfer station was certainly an eye opener eh?

Unwelcoming wasn't it?
don't be upset because you grew up to be a union "garbage man". take pride in your lack skill or trade. its not your fault you didn't finish high school. look at the positives. the smell of the garbage masks your own BO problem. the garbage keeps the flies off you. you get paid for working as slow possible. you can be rude to your customers because they have no choice. oh wait a minute, that last one isnt right anymore.
 

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Those who had their 'trashy habits' under control didn't have a problem.
Anybody who tried to dispose of garbage had a problem. People who had no seat at the negotiating table were made to sit in the hot sun for hours with their garbage just to drop it off. The union's goal was to piss off as many people as possible. They succeeded, and the result was Rob Ford. Congratulations!

Oh, and I've just read the news that, aside from learning new routes, one reason why the garbage is slow right now is essentially job action by the union at transfer stations, holding up the new non-union trucks for an average of an hour and a half each, as they try and drop off waste. Thanks, asshats! Keep it up and Ford will be re-elected.
 

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Anybody who tried to dispose of garbage had a problem. People who had no seat at the negotiating table were made to sit in the hot sun for hours with their garbage just to drop it off. The union's goal was to piss off as many people as possible. They succeeded, and the result was Rob Ford. Congratulations!

Oh, and I've just read the news that, aside from learning new routes, one reason why the garbage is slow right now is essentially job action by the union at transfer stations, holding up the new non-union trucks for an average of an hour and a half each, as they try and drop off waste. Thanks, asshats! Keep it up and Ford will be re-elected.
Those who had their 'garbage problems' under control were at ease, and inside their well air conditioned homes having a an enjoyable time. The uncontrolled rubbish producers were well, given a first hand look at the mountains of rubbish they produce. Welcome to the real world.

Ah yes, the King of G-abarge F-or L-ife would come up with excuses to excuse his deceit and fraud upon Toronto. Facts are this: insufficient manpower and equipment brought to you by deceitful ownership and lap puppy managment which has inflicted this plague upon you.
 

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I predict that after a time, GFL will get this right and people will be satisfied with the service. The union people operating the transfer stations may have to be axed and that outsourced, so that they can't play these funny games anymore.
 

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Tender out the operation of the Transfer Stations as well.

Keep the current SWM executive staff on at Metro Hall simply to oversee the contract. Everything else - contract out.
 

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BTW, my garbage pick up was Wednesday and it was fine.

In fact, interestingly enough, when the bin 2 doors down was tipped, some excess garbage spilled on to the streets and the guy actually bent over and picked it up and put it in the back of the truck. Now that is something you would NEVER EVER see a City of Toronto unionized garbage collector do in a million years. I'm liking this GFL outfit more and more. Saving us money and doing their jobs? Perfect.
 

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BTW, my garbage pick up was Wednesday and it was fine.
This exact same company has been picking up the garbage in Etobicoke since forever, without any issues at all.

They say their times improve an average of an hour per week when they move into a new area. That seems quite reasonable. They are saying they need six weeks to start meeting their targets, the city is saying it will give them four. The city is able to charge them a fine of $150/truck that does not complete its route on time, and says it will begin doing so if they are still running late after a month. So you can be pretty sure that within 4-6 weeks they are going to be running on schedule, or else they will be coughing up a lot of cash.
 

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My garbage was picked up on time. We also put out an old box spring. It was picked up before nightfall. This is more than I can say for the city of Toronto workers. Often they wouldn't bother calling in the oversized garbage so it would sit for weeks at a time before somebody finally got around to dealing with it.

I'm a fan of Unions. They're often necessary for safety reasons, and they help spread the wealth in a way that makes sense.

Unfortunately, Local 416 got out of control. That last strike was ridiculous. One day, during the strike, I waited in my car for an hour at the temporary dump they set up not far from my house. It was an hour because the strikers decided to hold up each car for 1 minute (or some amount of time that they were "legally" allowed to). Well fuck them.

And anybody condemning GFL for not getting it perfect in the first week on the job has missed the mark.

Anabrandy, I'm usually right on board with your Rob Ford hate... But you've lost me on this one.
 
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