Of course he would take it if he was paid his fees. Do you think he has a moral stand against representing those in the industry? But Sal's pockets do not run that deep. He cannot even afford a junior of Eddie Greenspan office.
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Blue Pearl Busted. Suspected underage.
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I think that he (Greenspan) would not want to be known a the defender of a pimp who employs 16 year old girls.
No good would come of it.
So no, whether this MP owner has the money or not, I doubt (severely doubt) that Eddie Greenspan would want anything to do with him.
Perhaps you may wish to view Greenspan's comments from a seminar earlier this year and revise your thoughts. I just think it is a bit much to think Greenspan would go from the likes of Conrad Black to Sal [unless Mr. Green is involved].
Edward Greenspan speaks on the importance of defence counsel in criminal law. See below.
Edward Greenspan delivers the lecture "The Role of the Defense Counsel" in Macdonald Hall, Queens law school on January 14, 2011.
One of Canada’s best known criminal defence lawyers, Edward Greenspan, QC, of Toronto-based Greenspan Partners, has represented some unusually prominent defendants over the course of his career. Drawing upon his experience at the forefront of these famous criminal cases -- counting amongst them wife murderer Peter Demeter, fraudulent theatre mogul Garth Drabinsky, and newspaper baron Conrad Black -- Greenspan spoke on the important role of defence counsel in a talk delivered on January 14 to Queen’s Law.
“There is one question I’m asked all the time: How can you defend those people?” he said, highlighting the charged criticism that defence lawyers often receive about their profession. His justification is simple: The legal system is based on the oft-cited premise of innocence until proven guilty. In the eyes of the law, guilt is not a moral term, but a legal term to be proven by a prosecutor’s evidence in a courtroom. No one is legally guilty until this determination is made by the court.
“If you were one day accused of a crime,” he challenged his audience, “you should expect your lawyer to raise every defence in the land. Even if you’re guilty, you want to know the conviction was obtained within lawful means.”
In the search for justice, it is the defence lawyer who plays the key role of ensuring the accused are not unfairly deprived of their freedom, protecting them from abuse of power by the state. This is a necessary role that upholds the constitutionally protected right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. This right is so fundamental, Greenspan continued, that Canada’s legal system may occasionally allow a guilty person to go free, rather than convict an innocent person. Therefore, defence counsel’s duty to argue vigorously for a client’s innocence does not only serve the accused, but also the legal community.
“A lawyer is not expected, nor qualified, to make a moral judgment on the person,” he said, countering the public’s often-seen rush to judgement. The lawyer needs to be the accused person’s advocate; his or her job is to believe the accused and to look at the circumstances around the defendant’s action with the assumption that it is consistent with innocence.
Greenspan stalwartly champions the right of his clients to have fair counsel. Throughout his career, he has never refused a client merely because the case involved a crime that society might find morally reprehensible or distasteful. In his eyes, there is a critical distinction: Criminal lawyers only defend clients, not crimes. Put another way, he does not defend his clients’ opinions, but rather their right to defend their actions.
“My conscience would bother me only if I took it upon myself to act as judge and jury,” Greenspan said seriously. “If I convicted someone in my own mind by refusing to defend him before he had his day in court -- that’s what would make me feel as if I had shirked my social and legal responsibility.”
Greenspan’s passion for defending clients is born of experience. He shared an amusing yet insightful account of his experience in the case of a client who was charged with murder. The alibi the client provided for his whereabouts was challenged by the police and, through personal investigation, Greenspan verified that the client was indeed lying about his location the night of the murder. Questioned several times, the accused kept changing his story; losing his patience, Greenspan demanded the truth from his client. The client finally admitted that he could offer only the flimsiest explanation as to his whereabouts: He was in the city for a first date with a mysterious woman whose name he couldn’t recall. Greenspan doggedly tracked down the mysterious woman based on the scant information the client could provide. The woman ended up being a key witness who credibly testified that she was speaking on the phone with his client at the exact time of the murder.
The problem, Greenspan explained, was that the client was afraid that he was not providing the story that the lawyer would want to hear. The man did not understand that the lawyer’s role is to believe in the client without judgment. Greenspan believes this reflects itself in the lawyer’s work, for if a lawyer believes in the client’s innocence, he or she will fight slightly harder, appear more sincere, and sustain the dogged determination to work through all hours of the night.
Following his lecture, Greenspan answered questions from the students and professors in the audience, sharing anecdotes from his own practice and offering sage advice to students heading into criminal law.
Commenting on how choosing criminal defence work directly out of law school offers strategic benefits and exposure in front of local judges, Greenspan was adamant that believing in the importance of the job, combined with hard work to cultivate a positive reputation, pays off in those early years.
“If it was an impaired driving case, I treated it as if it was the most important impaired driving case in Canada,” he explained.
“If I argued in front of the judge, I argued as if he or she was the Supreme Court of Canada.”
“We certainly were fortunate to have Greenspan speak to the law school,” said student Breana Vandebeek, Law ’11. “He really offered a strong reminder of how important defence counsel is to clients in our legal system. I also found it encouraging that such a successful criminal lawyer had started from humble beginnings.”
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thats because the 16 year olds of your day probably have varicose veins and shit by now
OK, I realize that MPs aren't going to follow human rights legislation to the "T", I take your point and tend to agree with you, but...
It is not legal to ask someone how old they are when they apply for a job. You may ask if they are legally allowed to work at the job you hiring for. So for a more mainstream example, if you are hiring a bartender, you can't say "Are you 18?", you may ask if they are old enough to legally serve alcohol. Most jobs with age restrictions need some kind of licence which should cover most situations. But it's not legal to ask if someone is 21 if it is legal for an 18 year old to do the job.
That doesn't excuse anything that happened at BP, I am just commenting on the point you brought up.
Kudo's to the cops.
There is NO need for children in the business. They need more protection and guidence.
I never frequented that place, but wasnt Blue Pearl also known for ripping off customers and charging extra??
Having lived with a fundie conspiracy theorist for a month I refuse to believe anything until I see the video on liveleak or something.
"Through our girls"?
Knuckleheads. Now they can add a civil lawsuit for libel. Especially after YRP gets an order requiring the ISP to identify who posted this.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I used to work there. It was such a heat score and just waiting to be busted. Oh well it was bound to happen. Just watched it on CP24 , Whoah.
Moeman, that "complaint" was undoubtedly written by Sal's cousin, or Sal's best friend.
And yes, the cops lie all the time.
And yes, Eddie Greenspan will take this case in a heartbeat if Sal pays Eddie his grossly inflated fees.
And no, there is no Easter Bunny.
And yes, the cops lie all the time.
And yes, Eddie Greenspan will take this case in a heartbeat if Sal pays Eddie his grossly inflated fees.
And no, there is no Easter Bunny.
mmmm
Here's a link to the Allure webpage where they specifically are looking for women 21 and up only (good for them)
http://www.alluremassage.ca/contact.asp
As to the quaint notion that it's not legal to ask someone their age when applying for a job - I think you're splitting hairs. Any MP owner with half a brain would not only ask how old, but let me see your passport or Driver's license to prove it. Don't have one? There's the door. Good luck to her taking that one to the Human Rights board.
How do you know?
Type in York Regional Police into the search engine and watch the fireworks go. Some are fake but a lot are real. It's a corrupt police force.
