Well... once they have made those choices, I agree, fuck them. But I would like to understand what cultural problem produces broken people so that we can fix it and have fewer broken people. But yeah, for the ones that are already that broken, who go around committing that kind of violent crime, fuck them.
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On the first link you are correct: http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats2.htmI missed this one before. You need to look more closely at the data, you are making the classic error of assuming that because most sex offenders are white, whites commit sex offenses at a higher rate. What you are overlooking is that non-hispanic whites make up 63% of the American population (72% if you include white hispanics) and blacks make up only 13%. If you look at the proportions in the data you just cited you will see that whites commit sexual offenses at a lower rate than blacks do. The only reason they are mostly whites is that America is mostly white.
Specifically your data from your links says this:
% of total child molesters:
White 51%
African American 25%
Hispanic 15%
American Indian/Alaska Natives 2%
Asian/Pacific Islanders 1%
So 63% of white Americans commit 52% of the sexual assaults, while the 13% of black Americans commit 25% of them.
You've just been hoist with your own petard!
On the 2nd link http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/CrimPsych/CPSG-6.htm you are not because there is no conclusive data on white vs black pedophilia.
Getting back to the first link it makes no distinction between regular sex crimes (rape against women) and pedophilia, which was my initial point to begin with.
I believe pedophilia to be much higher among whites then Blacks. If you can provide data or studies that say otherwise I'd be happy to have a look at it. And I'm talking strictly about data on pedophilia, not sex crimes in general
The second link just says "mostly white", which you would expect, considering whites make up 72% of the population. Unless you have some evidence that more than 72% of the pedophiles are white you've not made a point. (Or more than 63% if your data source puts white hispanics in the hispanic category rather than white).
The data we do have, on sex offenders overall, is that blacks are over-represented there, just as blacks are over-represented in practically every category of crime.
This claim that whites are more likely to be sex offenders is a MYTH. In fact, the opposite is true. They are LESS likely to be sex offenders.
The data we do have, on sex offenders overall, is that blacks are over-represented there, just as blacks are over-represented in practically every category of crime.
This claim that whites are more likely to be sex offenders is a MYTH. In fact, the opposite is true. They are LESS likely to be sex offenders.
censor the gangster rap music videos... 90% (or so I'm assuming) of their types are low income people. Who would the kids want to imitate when all they see and hear are bling bling, tits, cars, guns, weed, sex on most of the music videosWell... once they have made those choices, I agree, fuck them. But I would like to understand what cultural problem produces broken people so that we can fix it and have fewer broken people. But yeah, for the ones that are already that broken, who go around committing that kind of violent crime, fuck them.
and here community leaders are asking more money for youth programs and community workers to curb violence
Only as far as you know. If the police were saying that's the case, just give the creeps a false sense of comfort, those that do want to help might be more likely to without their neighbours suspecting.
I saw an interview with a neighbor on CBC news say that she'd be afraid to help police for fear of the killers coming after her. It's called intimidation and it goes on all the time.
That's just stupidity from those fearful to speak up. There are so many ways to give info to the authorities without even revealing one's identity or having to speak with them face to faceI saw an interview with a neighbor on CBC news say that she'd be afraid to help police for fear of the killers coming after her. It's called intimidation and it goes on all the time.
I asked you first, can you provide data or studies which show pedophilia to be lower among whites then among Blacks??The second link just says "mostly white", which you would expect, considering whites make up 72% of the population. Unless you have some evidence that more than 72% of the pedophiles are white you've not made a point
The legacy of Dudley Laws lives on. He was always bitching about the police arresting young Black males.that witnesses demonstrably do not believe their police are in their neighbourhood to keep them safe.
Your data shows that they are less likely to be sex offenders. Since you and frank are the ones making the outrageous claim, and since all the data we do have seems to contradict your view, I think you ought to have to prove your point.Phil C. McNasty said:I asked you first, can you provide data or studies which show pedophilia to be lower among whites then among Blacks??
I think you have no reason to think that whites are more likely to commit any sex offense. I think you guys just made that up.
No thanks just because you want to dismiss the links doesn't mean ws have to keep looking.Your data shows that they are less likely to be sex offenders. Since you and frank are the ones making the outrageous claim, and since all the data we do have seems to contradict your view, I think you ought to have to prove your point.
I think you have no reason to think that whites are more likely to commit any sex offense. I think you guys just made that up.
Did you misunderstand? The data shows that whites are LESS likely to be sex offenders. His data, from his link. He misread it. It says "mostly white" but then look at the numbers--the proportion of whites is less than the share of the population that is white, while the proportion of blacks is roughly DOUBLE their share of the population. So from that data, posted by PCM, blacks are more than twice as likely as whites to commit sex offenses. The only reason you mind up with most sex offenders being whites is because 72% of Americans are white.No thanks just because you want to dismiss the links doesn't mean ws have to keep looking.
Now if you want to dispute that data--fine. That would mean you've changed your mind about that link, having realized you misread it, and that it refutes your view, you've now decided NOT to believe that data. That is really dubious but ok, in that case we can go back to saying we have no idea, and either way you have to back off your claim that whites commit sex offenses at a higher rate than others. If you accept the data we have they have a LOWER rate than others do. If you don't accept that data, then we are back to square one, you have no reason to think they're any different than anyone else.
What you can't keep doing is propagating this myth that whites commit sexual offenses at a higher rate than others, considering you have absolutely no reason to think so.
pokiwanDid you misunderstand? The data shows that whites are LESS likely to be sex offenders. His data, from his link. He misread it. It says "mostly white" but then look at the numbers--the proportion of whites is less than the share of the population that is white, while the proportion of blacks is roughly DOUBLE their share of the population. So from that data, posted by PCM, blacks are more than twice as likely as whites to commit sex offenses. The only reason you mind up with most sex offenders being whites is because 72% of Americans are white.
Now if you want to dispute that data--fine. That would mean you've changed your mind about that link, having realized you misread it, and that it refutes your view, you've now decided NOT to believe that data. That is really dubious but ok, in that case we can go back to saying we have no idea, and either way you have to back off your claim that whites commit sex offenses at a higher rate than others. If you accept the data we have they have a LOWER rate than others do. If you don't accept that data, then we are back to square one, you have no reason to think they're any different than anyone else.
What you can't keep doing is propagating this myth that whites commit sexual offenses at a higher rate than others, considering you have absolutely no reason to think so.
For the umpteenth time, I'm talking about pedophilia only. Not sex-crimes in general.Your data shows that they are less likely to be sex offenders
Okay, so you cant produce any studies either. I looked around the internet and cant find any studies which focus on pedophilia alone.I think you ought to have to prove your point
I did however find something else which is very conclusive.
I'll post it later tonight when I have more time
Once again, as usual, we are losing focus. How does blaming White people for pedophilia make the people in Lawrence Heights or Malvern feel safer? Is Lawrence Height cowering in fear of White pedos?
Once again, as usual, we are losing focus. How does blaming White people for pedophilia make the people in Lawrence Heights or Malvern feel safer? Is Lawrence Height cowering in fear of White pedos?
It's one of Fuji's favorite areas of interest and he must be feeling ignored lately, just sayin '.
And you have no reasons whatsoever for thinking that whites commit this crime at a higher RATE than anybody else. All you know from your link is that there are more of them, but since 72% of Americans are white that is hardly a surprise. All other things being equal, if everyone commits the crime at the same rate, you would expect 72% of them to be white. If you find that less than 72% are white, then whites commit at a lower rate.For the umpteenth time, I'm talking about pedophilia only. Not sex-crimes in general.
So, since you are saying we have no information, the reasonable thing to conclude is that whites are no different. Right?Okay, so you cant produce any studies either.
Thus you should stop making this claim and acknowledge you have no reason to think it is true. I mean your debating tactic is equivalent to this: PCM is a pedophile. Where's my proof? Well I have none. But he doesn't have any proof that he isn't one, so hey.
Some people feel uncomfortable that we have shown gun violence has a racial aspect, and that it is particularly black. They think if they can find some other topic that is explicitly a white problem, that this somehow excuses black gun violence, or means that we should not focus on the black cultural aspects of gun violence.Once again, as usual, we are losing focus. How does blaming White people for pedophilia make the people in Lawrence Heights or Malvern feel safer? Is Lawrence Height cowering in fear of White pedos?
Unfortunately it's not even true, it is just a myth that has been propagated by those who feel uncomfortable with the focus on black crime.
We will also probably hear the myth that "all serial killers are white" again, even though the worst offenders in both Canada and the US have been non-white or mixed race (i.e., Virginia Tech, Dawson College, Montreal Massacre). Again, 72% of the US population is white, and it appears that less than 72% of the serial killers are. But this won't stop those who wish to deflect attention from problems with black crime from trying to use it as a smoke screen.
Fuji
You always take people's statements and then add a leap that they didn't make.
No one is suggesting that white crimes excuse black crimes. It's just the tone of superiority and disgust that you have for the black race is pretty obvious because you make them sound so bad.
People arguing with you are just pointing out that crime of all races is a problem in general rather than black crime is the only problem.
While you may not have said it you certainly make it sound that way.
You know full well that children are more likely to be molested by someone that they know. Since there are more white kids that means more white molesters. Is it more than 70% I don't know but whites arer more likely to be contacted for sex offenses in Toronto suggests to me that may it's true.
I'll bet the Colorado Batman Screening Mass Shooter is white.
You always take people's statements and then add a leap that they didn't make.
No one is suggesting that white crimes excuse black crimes. It's just the tone of superiority and disgust that you have for the black race is pretty obvious because you make them sound so bad.
People arguing with you are just pointing out that crime of all races is a problem in general rather than black crime is the only problem.
While you may not have said it you certainly make it sound that way.
You know full well that children are more likely to be molested by someone that they know. Since there are more white kids that means more white molesters. Is it more than 70% I don't know but whites arer more likely to be contacted for sex offenses in Toronto suggests to me that may it's true.
I'll bet the Colorado Batman Screening Mass Shooter is white.
Show us proof that less than 72% of serial killers are white. I struggle to think of non white ones other than the Sniper in the US who was black and Charles Ng but he teamed up with a white guy.Some people feel uncomfortable that we have shown gun violence has a racial aspect, and that it is particularly black. They think if they can find some other topic that is explicitly a white problem, that this somehow excuses black gun violence, or means that we should not focus on the black cultural aspects of gun violence.
Unfortunately it's not even true, it is just a myth that has been propagated by those who feel uncomfortable with the focus on black crime.
We will also probably hear the myth that "all serial killers are white" again, even though the worst offenders in both Canada and the US have been non-white or mixed race (i.e., Virginia Tech, Dawson College, Montreal Massacre). Again, 72% of the US population is white, and it appears that less than 72% of the serial killers are. But this won't stop those who wish to deflect attention from problems with black crime from trying to use it as a smoke screen.
