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frankcastle

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make a hole in drywall with a faux brick finish and a fireplace flue behind it?

I sealed off the flue from the roof and the fireplace is not functional but thinking about mounting a tv over the mantle....want to make a hole the goes through the flue so I can run the power cord, hdmi cord and maybe enough room that if I want a few more wires could go throug hte same hole.

I have a dewalt hammer drill and a wide assortment of drill bits meant for wood up to 1/2 inch in size. I also have the attachment to drill a 2" hole.
 

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What is the faux brick finish made of? If it is plastic or drywall itself, just use a normal drill bit with normal drilling, don't use the hammer drill function. It may also be useful to locate a stud and to install a retrofit box in the wall with proper connectors for your wires, like one would normally do with telephone, cat5 and cable wires. For the box, you would need a square hole and that canbe cut even with a drywall saw made especially for the job. I once used an xacto knife to cut the hole in the drywall, for precision.
 

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make a hole in drywall with a faux brick finish and a fireplace flue behind it?
not sure what the faux brick would be, but if it's cementitious ,ceramic etc ,you would need a carbide tipped masonry bit.
to drill the flue liner, assuming it's red clay tile, that can be very hard. not sure if a carbide bit would go thru it. you could use a bit made for drilling porcelain or glass tile (a hole saw with diamond grit ) or alternativly just pop a hole thru it wiht a hammer & chisel. ( the carbide bit may go thru tho )
 

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the faux brick is like about 1/2" thick and it looks kinda like those red bricks that are on the exteriors of houses

I do have a stud finder so will check to see if they are of any help

don't think I'll get as fancy as shakenbakes retrofit box

-will carbide tip go through the sheet metal of the flue? the way the fireplace is lined with brick and metal so creating a hole in the flue is the easiest option
 

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so probably you have sliced clay brick , a carbide bit will go thru that. as far as flue, metal will be double walled and probably stainless steel with insulation between the 2 . carbide won't be the best for that, since stainless is a hard metal to drill. I would try a titanium step drill for that shown here http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Step-Dri...337?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aad4a6721
Hmmm and the step drill bit can go in a normal drill? sorry for such basic questions
 

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yes a step drill will fit a regular drill, but you may need to add an extension to get all the way thru because the flue is double walled with I think about an inch of insulation between
 

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yes a step drill will fit a regular drill, but you may need to add an extension to get all the way thru because the flue is double walled with I think about an inch of insulation between
would some sorty of hammer and spike be easier? if so what type of spike?

thanks btw
 

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probably your flue looks like this http://www.fluesystems.com/flues/info/dinak_dw.htm
2 walls of stainless with insulation between.
you could try to hammer a sharp pointed punch or something thru, you probably would have success, but stainless is a tough metal
If there is stainles steel anywhere, cobalt bits will be apprpriate, and the advice wil be go slow! Also, if there is any porcelain in the area to be drileld, do not use a hammer drill, lest the entire structure be shattered. Some one advised me to use a hamemr drill when I needed a hole in my ceramic flooring. I was smart and did not listen to him, and saved my floor from a significant repair.

What about a roto zip tool with a diamond encrusted tool tip?
 

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If there is stainles steel anywhere, cobalt bits will be apprpriate, and the advice wil be go slow! Also, if there is any porcelain in the area to be drileld, do not use a hammer drill, lest the entire structure be shattered. Some one advised me to use a hamemr drill when I needed a hole in my ceramic flooring. I was smart and did not listen to him, and saved my floor from a significant repair.

What about a roto zip tool with a diamond encrusted tool tip?
I was hoping to be able to do the job with tools that I had on hand. Although Home depot would probably rent one of those?
 

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what happens if you try and go too fast through stainless steel?

and yeah I don't think I'd use the hammer feature of the drill
 

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Regardless of the bit, you may find it is NOT LEGAL to put anything through a flue that MIGHT someday be hooked up. That's often how building codes work, including other factors that might seem unnecessarily weird to the present occupants. As an example, when we needed to replace our rural septic bed, we were required to install an enormous treatment plant often used by 20 room motels, just because our house is large enough to contain many people although we are only two residents now.

I would try to find out about the code as it may apply in your instance, if you do something not compliant and an incident occurs, your insurance could be voided.
 

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Regardless of the bit, you may find it is NOT LEGAL to put anything through a flue that MIGHT someday be hooked up. That's often how building codes work, including other factors that might seem unnecessarily weird to the present occupants. As an example, when we needed to replace our rural septic bed, we were required to install an enormous treatment plant often used by 20 room motels, just because our house is large enough to contain many people although we are only two residents now.

I would try to find out about the code as it may apply in your instance, if you do something not compliant and an incident occurs, your insurance could be voided.
Good point but I already chopped off the chimney and sealed off the flue from the roof. Also, put some ornamental stuff in the fireplace so it's obvious that it's not meant to be used,
 

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what happens if you try and go too fast through stainless steel?

and yeah I don't think I'd use the hammer feature of the drill
Stainless steel tends to bind, if I remember correctly, unless it is a ferritic stainless steel (series 400). The nature of the alloying elements, nickel and chromium, make it that way.
 

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My kinda DiY, sorta messy and make it up as you go: Is this a steel box fireplace surrounded by standard drywall construction in a newer home, or an older solid masonry one, which might have had a metal liner installed in the brick chimmney, and where the original walls would have been plaster over thin strips of wood lath? It's more common to take a brick chimney down to the roof than the double-wall sectional metal ones that hook to zero-clearance steel fireplaces.

Doug's note is very apropos. It's very important to know the rules made to keep you and the next folks in the house safe, especially if we're about to ignore them. With no chimney outside, you don't have a working fireplace, and should be safe.

I'd go for the box option, it's the right way to do it, and little more work or expense. The first wire that slips back into the wall, you'll wish you had. You want a plastic or metal double wide with a closed side (you're protecting from a short-lived fir in the box) for the 120VAC electrical and an open side for the low-voltage communications wires. You can bring those out with no cover plate, thru a simple hole in the cover plate, or wire then to a fancy plate with the real-deal connectors. Avoid a busy Saturday and the Home Despot guys will be happy to advise. The electrical side's a standard plug, which you buy: Black wire to brass screw, white to silver, ground to green.

1st Job: How do the wires get to the box? Your plan is to go in the fireplace face opening, up the throat, past the damper and out a hole to the box. If your fireplace is zero clearance, you still have an option to go fully concealed in the wall. First do a dry fit of the TV, it may come with a template or you could use the mount or cut a side from the box. Figure where you'll be happy and where your cables and connections have to be exit to be hidden. Pick a side off of dead centre—the flue is likely centre and you want some working room—for your cables to come out, based on which side's the easiest run. Use you finder so you're beside, not on a stud. There are boxes and clips that fasten boxes straight to the drywall, but screws into the stud are stronger.

2d: The Outlet: The carbide masonry bit in your hammer drill talked of above is the tool to drill the brick slices, and you'll need one installing the TV mount, but I'd just use it to chew away the mortar between the slices, then pry off enough to fit my box. Mrs castle will want a dropsheet, even if you don't. Save the pieces to patch with, and cut just a bit bigger (as in posts above) with a utility knife and/or drywall saw (a bread knife made fror carpentry) Be safe, take it slow. People who bully their knives wind up in ER. You should now be able to see the flue, and butcher your way through. See much info above. If you are facing bricks, you can use your masonry bits on the mortar and work one out, Then deal with the brick or flue that's likely behind it. Be sure to protect the cables from the sharp hole edges that are left, and don't make life harder with too small a hole. IF you see you're facing a void around a steel box, here's your chance to just punch a discrete hole in the dry wall, just above the baseboard and bring the cables past the firebox instead of through it. We invented plaster because it repairs so easily. Or buy a computer desktop cable flange at HD (Tools and hardware dept), and just leave the hole.

3d Wiring: Mount the box, as described. Use a string from your hole to fish the bundle of cables. Tie a small heavy load to it, push iy=t into the flue and let it drop until the damper stops it, at which point you'll have to go pullit past without your end getting pulled into the hole—it's why they call it the bitter end of the anchor chain—tie securely onto the cable bundle, maybe torpedo the blunt end into something that'll run easier with some tape and pull them through.

Secure each to its box with at least a healthy 6" of 'pigtail to work with if your making connections like electrical there. If the cables will go all the way to the TV, the box is to make sure they do not go back into the wall, give yourself the required length, secure and wire any connections. Go back along the wiring path to tidy up and secure every thing. Patch around the box with the brick pieces (which can be snapped, although its hard to be accurate. A score line will help)

4 Install the TV mount as per instructions—which should say what size carbide masonry bit you need.

Enjoy. And if I ever discover you're actually cute and petite with perky B's and I didn't volunteer, you're toast frank.
 

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Good tips.

I probably have As and I am maybe 5 to 10 pounds above what Ishould be I don't think you'd be happy with my looks. But my service and personality might please you. :D

Still in the planning phase not sure if I will get the green light for this project

BTW I think the fireplace is one of those metal boxes with bricks inside of it and surrounded by dry wall and the faux brick finish
 

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Good tips.

I probably have As and I am maybe 5 to 10 pounds above what Ishould be I don't think you'd be happy with my looks. But my service and personality might please you. :D

Still in the planning phase not sure if I will get the green light for this project

BTW I think the fireplace is one of those metal boxes with bricks inside of it and surrounded by dry wall and the faux brick finish
Then I would definitely look to leave the flue and firebox alone, and use the space around it to run the cables. Your way is straightforward practical, but you'll be happier in the long run. Once you have the hole in the chimney a little round mirror taped to an old-fashioned coat hanger wire and a flashlight (tie a string to it) will give you a good view of practicalities. Which will involve fishing. Drop your weighted string as before, then try to hook it through the entry hole you make in, or just above the baseboard. Another excellent use for coat hanger wire. And another pair of hands and eyes, if available.

Or, if the possibilities do not present, take your flue-shot.

I'm sure they're very sweet, and I'm sorry about my fussy preferences, but A's are a dealbreaker. My loss I'm sure.

PS. Time-Life books put out a great DiY series a while ago, very thorough with terrific illustrations. It just might be covered in their electrical one. The library has them.
 
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