Iphone4. Vs. Galaxy

[Identity]

The fact fanbois are always carping how 'hard' they are only confirms how 'tech challenged' they indeed are!....:eyebrows:

Let's take this argument to its logical conclusion. You're a dumbass if you use stock Android, or the Android that came with your phone. Real men compile Cyanogen from scratch after a Gentoo-esque command-line configuration process that takes 7 hours, then troll through the compiler's debug messages and figure out which offending kernel module broke the compilation process. Then flash the ROM yourself - no sissy third-party tools allowed. After all that, boot your hand-crafted Android and gape in horror as the display driver craps out. Then go back to step one, read the entirety of Android's xorg.conf equivalent, and go through the rigmarole again. Now that's true tech mastery.

Android is made by a group of engineers who think it's perfectly normal to have a goddamn process manager on a phone, and see nothing wrong with necessitating anti-virus software. On a phone. Utter insanity. I wouldn't trust my text messages, emails, and photos to an Android phone. Not without locking it down like a paranoid NSA agent.

 

[dcbogey]

We're going to colonize Mars before the new BB comes out.

That sounds about right.

Let's take this argument to its logical conclusion. You're a dumbass if you use stock Android, or the Android that came with your phone. Real men compile Cyanogen from scratch after a Gentoo-esque command-line configuration process that takes 7 hours, then troll through the compiler's debug messages and figure out which offending kernel module broke the compilation process. Then flash the ROM yourself - no sissy third-party tools allowed. After all that, boot your hand-crafted Android and gape in horror as the display driver craps out. Then go back to step one, read the entirety of Android's xorg.conf equivalent, and go through the rigmarole again. Now that's true tech mastery.

Android is made by a group of engineers who think it's perfectly normal to have a goddamn task manager on a phone, and see nothing wrong with necessitating anti-virus software. On a phone. Utter insanity. I wouldn't trust my text messages, emails, and photos to an Android phone. Not without locking it down like a paranoid NSA agent.

I have NO idea what that means, but it gave me a chuckle. Thanks.

 

[Identity]

I have NO idea what that means, but it gave me a chuckle. Thanks.

Relevant, especially the last panel. In a nutshell, software is made like sausages. The end result might be nice, but you don't want to know how it's made.

 

[djk]

This discussion and the non-Apple advocates are for propellor-heads

The iPhone just works. It gets what you want done. Easily, intuitively and reliably. And it costs a hundred bucks or so more.

The Galaxy has admittedly better hardware and a more flexible operating system but FFS, it takes a lot of tinkering.

If you like tinkering, get an Android Peanut Butter and Ice Cream Donut Cupcake with Jellybeans on it and beat off to your nerdy heart's content!

If you just want to get your shit done easily, then go for an iPhone

Exactly.

 

[djk]

Old argument perpetuated by the fanbois doesn't apply anymore. take a new Android phone out of the box and it "just works" however should you want it to do more than that,then you have the OPTION to "tinker"

so let's keep it real bro.

Not really.

If you have a Galaxy Nexus via a carrier (like most people) and not at full price from Google online and really want to update to Jelly Bean, this is what you have to deal with - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419170

 

[djk]

FMA,

I'd wait. The Galaxy Note 2 is due out this August-September and around the same time, the iPhone 5 (or whatever Apple is calls it) will be announced.

Personally, if you want a huge screen and just do basic stuff like web, email, text and GPS, I'd go with Android.

If you want to use your phone as a daily driver, I'd go with the iPhone. This is coming from someone who has both - an iPhone 4S and a Galaxy Nexus.

 

[Powershot]

Not really.

If you have a Galaxy Nexus via a carrier (like most people) and not at full price from Google online and really want to update to Jelly Bean, this is what you have to deal with - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419170

Pretty straightforward for anyone who has flashed their Android phone before...

 

[onthebottom]

I'd suggest a read through this, covers the Bloatware and Fragmentation issue with Android pretty well: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406991,00.asp

 

[IM469]

Are you sure that that's the message? I've tried Googling it to see if there was a solution but no such message shows up.

My statement ' the message that says 'This isn't an Apple Product - no charge for you ' is not an exact quote - I was paraphrasing the message with the 'No soup for you' soup nazi. I would buy a cheap cable from factory direct and plug it in. It would start to charge and then after a while the charging would stop with a non-Apple product message that said 'Fuck You!' .... and I had to unplug and replug to get more charging before the message repeated itself.

By the way - before you Google the Fuck You message - it conveys the meaning but I can't remember the exact wording.

 

[Identity]

Pretty straightforward for anyone who has flashed their Android phone before...

Which is 1.6% of the Android user-base. Way to miss the point. As someone who breathes this stuff, I know how to flash a ROM, but expecting a non-techie to have to know this just to update their phone to the newest software is ridiculous. There is no reason why the process needs to be so complicated when seamless OS updates have been done for a few years now. The iOS5 update came over-the-air for most users. Once they plugged their iDevice into a power outlet, they got a message asking them if they would like to update to the newest version. Simple "yes" or "no". If "no", the iDevice would leave them the hell alone so they could get back to doing important work with it. If "yes", it would take 2 minutes to flash its own ROM, reboot, and work just as well as it did earlier. All of this with the press of just one button.

Android is the Windows XP of phones. Programmers back in the day used to lament "dumbass losers" who didn't know that error code 0xF3115A really meant "corrupted filesystem", thereby proving themselves as the true dumbasses. It's a phone, man, not a way of life.

 

[WoodPeckr]

I'd suggest a read through this, covers the Bloatware and Fragmentation issue with Android pretty well: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406991,00.asp

Yet in spite of that:

Android phones were already succeeding, of course, by nearly a two-to-one margin in U.S. sales compared with the iPhone, at last check. But this latest OS version is a significant leap in performance and overall smoothness.

Overall, we love it. In our review, we awarded it 4.5 stars and our Editors' Choice award over iOS 5.1.1—and on its own merits, not just because Android phones come in a larger variety of hardware configurations and on more carriers.

And....

But here's the thing: Android 4.1 Jelly Bean doesn't have any problems out of the box either. It's not Android's fault. Both issues—bloatware and OS fragmentation—are entirely the fault of wireless carriers and phone manufacturers.

Hoped that cleared up your befuddlement...

 

[fuji]

see nothing wrong with necessitating anti-virus software. On a phone. Utter insanity.

I removed the AV software from my phone and cope with that by downloading only apps that are very popular and have been around for awhile, so, trusted because of the mass community adoption. However, that's only because my circa 2011 phone creaks under the weight of the zillion apps that I run and something had to give. When I buy my next phone I will certainly put the AV software back on it.

It is insanity NOT to run AV software on an iPhone. You are drinking the Apple kool aid if you think it is not a network connected computing device, and therefore, attackable. Apple's story that they control everything in the Apple store and therefore you are safe is a big bucket of donkey piss that only stupid people drink. All it takes is a FLAW in one of those apps, say in the browser, and your iPhone can be rooted by some remote guy out on the network. Not happening a lot yet, but it will happen, especially as we move into a world where your phone is intimately connected to your banking data. Not being ready when it happens is just dumb.

 

[simon482]

you couldn't pay me to use an iphone. over priced over hyped pieces of shit.

Q: how do you know someone has an iphone?
A: wait a second and they will tell you.

 

[wigglee]

Wait for the the new BB

still holding the stock, eh?

 

[WoodPeckr]

you couldn't pay me to use an iphone. over priced over hyped pieces of shit.

+1

As PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute"!....:eyebrows:

 

[djk]

Which is 1.6% of the Android user-base. Way to miss the point. As someone who breathes this stuff, I know how to flash a ROM, but expecting a non-techie to have to know this just to update their phone to the newest software is ridiculous. There is no reason why the process needs to be so complicated when seamless OS updates have been done for a few years now. The iOS5 update came over-the-air for most users. Once they plugged their iDevice into a power outlet, they got a message asking them if they would like to update to the newest version. Simple "yes" or "no". If "no", the iDevice would leave them the hell alone so they could get back to doing important work with it. If "yes", it would take 2 minutes to flash its own ROM, reboot, and work just as well as it did earlier. All of this with the press of just one button.

Android is the Windows XP of phones. Programmers back in the day used to lament "dumbass losers" who didn't know that error code 0xF3115A really meant "corrupted filesystem", thereby proving themselves as the true dumbasses. It's a phone, man, not a way of life.

Nailed it.

 

[fuji]

Which is 1.6% of the Android user-base. Way to miss the point. As someone who breathes this stuff, I know how to flash a ROM, but expecting a non-techie to have to know this just to update their phone to the newest software is ridiculous. There is no reason why the process needs to be so complicated when seamless OS updates have been done for a few years now.

For me with my android phone everything just worked, including the over-the-air upgrade from gingerbread to ICS. I got a little status bar icon one day saying an upgrade was available, so I clicked OK. It upgraded my phone and just worked.

All the basic stuff people do just worked on my phone the day I bought it, out of the box. Emails, webs, taking pictures and videos, sharing pictures and videos on email facebook or youtube, google maps, browsing the web, GPS integration, and obviously the basic phone stuff like send/receive texts and phone calls. It all just worked.

I never flashed any ROM on my phone. If I did I could remove a few apps that I don't use that are always running there, but that's no big deal. That's just nerd optimization, so I can say I'm cooler because stuff would then launch on my phone a half second faster than if I didn't do that. Big fucking deal.

I did go on to install a bunch of apps to do things that didn't come with my phone, and for the most part, that all just worked as well. I installed a bunch of different messaging clients, VOIP clients, forum browsing software, some games, and other things. I locked down security on my phone by putting on a selective app protector. I installed a little app that automatically turns on my wifi when I get home, and makes my phone silent when I'm in the office, based on network location. But that stuff is all extras. The basics just work on Android. Maybe in early versions that was not the case, but it is the case today.

In fact I don't think I could stand using an iPhone because it doesn't even have some of the basics, like good integration with gmail or google maps. The lack of that stuff is just fucking painful, whereas on my phone, that was built in and just worked.

 

[danibbler]

FMA,

If you want to use your phone as a daily driver, I'd go with the iPhone. This is coming from someone who has both - an iPhone 4S and a Galaxy Nexus.

Interesting, I've gone from a Galaxy S I and iPhone 4 to Nokia C series and less and less iPhone 4.

 

[Powershot]

Similar to the 1.6% of iOS users who jailbreak to remove the limitations from their phone. You don't have to jailbreak, and you can wait for your carrier to push through your Android update.

Which is 1.6% of the Android user-base. Way to miss the point. As someone who breathes this stuff, I know how to flash a ROM, but expecting a non-techie to have to know this just to update their phone to the newest software is ridiculous. There is no reason why the process needs to be so complicated when seamless OS updates have been done for a few years now. The iOS5 update came over-the-air for most users. Once they plugged their iDevice into a power outlet, they got a message asking them if they would like to update to the newest version. Simple "yes" or "no". If "no", the iDevice would leave them the hell alone so they could get back to doing important work with it. If "yes", it would take 2 minutes to flash its own ROM, reboot, and work just as well as it did earlier. All of this with the press of just one button.

Android is the Windows XP of phones. Programmers back in the day used to lament "dumbass losers" who didn't know that error code 0xF3115A really meant "corrupted filesystem", thereby proving themselves as the true dumbasses. It's a phone, man, not a way of life.

 

[Identity]

For me with my android phone everything just worked, including the over-the-air upgrade from gingerbread to ICS. I got a little status bar icon one day saying an upgrade was available, so I clicked OK. It upgraded my phone and just worked.

I assume you have a Nexus S or a Galaxy Nexus. If I would buy an Android phone, I would only buy one of those. They are the only phones that provide a pleasant "Google experience". Note that your experience is far from the norm. The overwhelming majority of Android phones out there are stuck on ancient versions of Android because of greedy carriers and hardware manufacturers. It's been four years and the situation hasn't changed, nor will it change anytime soon (if at all).

In fact I don't think I could stand using an iPhone because it doesn't even have some of the basics, like good integration with gmail or google maps. The lack of that stuff is just fucking painful, whereas on my phone, that was built in and just worked.

For what it's worth, I haven't had any issues with push GMail using the builtin mail client, but I don't use labels much either. I can see how it would be painful if you do use GMail-specific features. There is a $3 app called Sparrow that integrates very well with GMail (but lacks push), labels and everything. Fortunately, the Mail app is getting an overhaul in iOS6, but I don't know if it will bring better GMail integration.

Google Maps has also served me well. It lacks turn-by-turn directions and generally hasn't changed much over the years, but that's a result of the ongoing spat between Google and Apple. Google has deliberately witheld features from their iOS app to incentivize Android. Fortunately iOS6 will do away with Google Maps entirely. Apple will be using their own mapping service with turn-by-turn directions.