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[fuji]

Those are American stats. We're talking about Toronto (or Canada) in this thread

Yup so you made a claim, where are your numbers? So far we have American numbers which are not as good as Canadian numbers, but better than nothing. You've provided nothing.

I think you made up what you posted and that you have no reasons for the things you say.

 

[fuji]

I just don't get it using that example the one city clearly has a rate double the other meaning more dangerous. As if murder was random the place with the higher rate makes you twice as likely to get killed.

I know you don't get it. If the rate in a small town is double due to a high black population, but four times lower due to low population density, the overall rate will be lower even though blacks increase crime.

To eliminate that confounding factor you need to regress the data against all the relevant factors.

You haven't.

So we have police records showing that in big cities blacks and natives commit most of the violent crime. Against that you are trying to make a stats argument about significance in a larger scale, but you failed to do it properly.

 

[fuji]

Anyways. Since i am not the statistician. I will await your work. Till then we probably can go on for pages doing nothing.

Find the data and I will do your homework. You are claiming that we should overlook the evidence here in Toronto by looking at more cities, find the data. We will need for every city: black population, native population, total population, average income or the poverty rate, and the murder rate. Find that and i can run a regression and calculate significance.

Until then what we have is very chear evidence that in Toronto blacks ARE the crime problem.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yup so you made a claim, where are your numbers? So far we have American numbers which are not as good as Canadian numbers, but better than nothing. You've provided nothing.

I think you made up what you posted and that you have no reasons for the things you say

Not really. Its just that I never seen a black pedo on the news. They're all white guys

 

[fuji]

Not really. Its just that I never seen a black pedo on the news. They're all white guys

You're wrong.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You're wrong

Show me the Canadian stats, fuji

 

[GG2]

You're wrong.

His argument is as strong as yours. He's seen lots of pictures of pedos and they were mostly white. You go to the Toronto Police blotter and you see lots of blacks so you argue blacks are responsible for 90% of gun violence in canada.

This is why frankcastle presented statistical data. Anecdotal information isn't solid enough.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

his argument is as strong as yours. He's seen lots of pictures of pedos and they were mostly white. You go to the toronto police blotter and you see lots of blacks so you argue blacks are responsible for 90% of gun violence in canada.

This is why frankcastle presented statistical data. Anecdotal information isn't solid enough

Bingo!!

 

[Toke]

Really tried to stay out of this argument since it was, and still is pointless to argue with fuji's 'opinion'.

Post #304 (this thread)

I guess you just don't want to face the fact that blacks commit a disproportionate share of the violence, even when you control for income levels. Once you admit that we can have a productive discussion on why that might be, and how to fix it. In any case, it is part of the reality we live in, and denying it is a one-way ticket to fantasy land. It's easier to solve problems if you acknowledge them.

I will even say this: It is not "blacks" that commit more crimes. African immigrants, for the most part, don't have this problem. It's the decendents of the slave trade that commit the crime, many of them having transited through Jamaica. So there is nothing genetic about this, it's very clearly a cultural problem.

But it is a cultural problem in the black community, and the constant denials, the insistence that the black community isn't really committing all the crime--when everybody can see that it is--just doesn't help.

Okay, but.... (Post #626 this thread)

Your calculations aren't valid, you aren't dealing with the confounding factors of city size and poverty which dilute your numbers making it harder to see the impact of race.

You HAVE to account for those things or you cant claim that race isn't significant, especially since it is so overwhelmingly obvious in the raw police reports.

I'm willing to help you do it if you have the numbers but I'm not willing to accept silly claims about significance based on making a pair of lists and eyeballing them.

You used the word "significance" therefore you need to show your calculation of significance. That would be best done with a regression test.

FC asked you about this very inconsistency in your argument. Care to explain??

Ooop, in the US natives and blacks are more likely than average to be pedophiles while whites and Asians are less likely than average.

Got any Canadian data?

If not let's go with this, once again blacks and natives leading the crime stats, though not as much as with gun crime. The 25% higher rate of black pedophiles is most likely the result of lack of education and poverty, unlike gun crime. Natives have a bigger problem, probably the result of institutionalizing kids in assimilation programs leading to cycles of abuse.

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/...-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/

Guess you rammed your foot down your throat there Phil..

Unlike you, I like to check the credibility of my stats. So I checked the link and looked around this BLOG (yes folks, a blog, an opinion, and NOT a peer reviewed wrok) to see where this data came from and the blogger's other 'work'. Besides that any link that was to lead to the source of his stats did not work (wasn't surprised), here's what I found...

Blogger: Robert Lindsay
Education: BA Journalism (California State University, Long Beach, 1980), MA Linguistics (California State University, Fresno, 1994).
Other Blogs:
- Bigfoot News June 11, 2012
- Why Jews Need and Secretly Love Antisemitism
Quotes:
- "Personally, I have been described as “otherworldly,”, “beyond highbrow,” “one of those totally out to lunch genius types,” and “off in my own world.” I have a very high IQ, and I’m told that a lot of high-IQ folks are like this. There doesn’t seem to be much I can do about it, but it does cause me problems."
- "Discusses race a lot – if it bugs you, don’t read."
- "I see myself as a pan-humanist universalist and a White ethnocentric anti-racist race realist, who strongly dislikes the PC, Cultural Marxist, Identity Politics, Western New Left."
- "Although I am generally opposed to racism, I do hate Gypsies."
- "I also have an eclectic definition of what it means to be anti-racist. To me it means you should try not to treat others even slightly less well as others due to who their parents were."
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/about/

Nice source. A guy whose stats can't be traced to a creidble source, who is not a racist, hates Gypsies, and has his very own definition of 'racist'. Oh ya, and I'm not sure but I think he believes in Big Foot as he has many articles (with pictures) about him/it.

Nice try, but you still have no stats and/or argument. Shame on you for trying to pass off that sorry excuse for 'proof' on us. We may not be that smart, but we're surely not that dumb.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Unlike you, I like to check the credibility of my stats. So I checked the link and looked around this BLOG (yes folks, a blog, an opinion, and NOT a peer reviewed work)

Thats ironic, because in our global warming thread fuji would not accept any journal on GW unless it was peer-reviewed :biggrin1:

 

[Toke]

Thats ironic, because in our global warming thread fuji would not accept any journal on GW unless it was peer-reviewed :biggrin1:

Sounds about right.

But for a laugh you should nose around his link. Even read the comments. If someone doesn't agree... banned.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sounds about right.

But for a laugh you should nose around his link. Even read the comments. If someone doesn't agree... banned

I'll take fuji's "argument" a step further, since 90% of all pedo's are men, we should set up spot-checks around every school, and pull over any male within 1,000 yards

 

[GG2]

Bingo!!

I knew you were setting him up. Nice job. fuji owned for the umpteenth time.

 

[frankcastle]

Find the data and I will do your homework. You are claiming that we should overlook the evidence here in Toronto by looking at more cities, find the data. We will need for every city: black population, native population, total population, average income or the poverty rate, and the murder rate. Find that and i can run a regression and calculate significance.

Until then what we have is very chear evidence that in Toronto blacks ARE the crime problem.

Finally! I got you to limit your comments to Toronto. Peace.

 

[frankcastle]

Find the data and I will do your homework. You are claiming that we should overlook the evidence here in Toronto by looking at more cities, find the data. We will need for every city: black population, native population, total population, average income or the poverty rate, and the murder rate. Find that and i can run a regression and calculate significance.

Until then what we have is very chear evidence that in Toronto blacks ARE the crime problem.

I've washed too much time already on research your turn buddy.

By the way your police blotted technique would be called sampling bias. You are choosing data that might fit your data. I say might as i still contend it qualitative.

 

[fuji]

I've washed too much time already on research your turn buddy.

Fine, so since we have no other valid data, we can work with what TPS provide. Which is that almost all the crime is committed by blacks. Or we can use the Edmonton or Winnipeg information, that it's mostly natives and blacks.

Let's just agree that small towns don't have significant gang crime problems regardless of their ethnic makeup.

 

[fuji]

His argument is as strong as yours. He's seen lots of pictures of pedos and they were mostly white.

My argument is that Canada isn't all that dissimilar to the United States, and we have the facts for the United States, where blacks and natives commit more of the pedo crimes than any other racial group, per capita.

I can't see why we would have a different composition of pedophiles here than in the United States.

At the very least Phil has an uphill slog trying to explain why he thinks whites commit most of the pedo here, when it's the reverse south of the border. He's made an outrageous claim and he has no substance to back it up with, meanwhile, the data we do have says he's not only wrong, but in fact the reverse is true--that blacks are more likely than whites to be pedos.

 

[fuji]

FC asked you about this very inconsistency in your argument. Care to explain??

There's no inconsistency. We have the clear facts for Toronto, it's absolutely indisputable from the police reports that blacks commit almost all the violent crime here in Toronto. You can deny it but then you just look stupid--anybody with eyes to see can view that information and see that you are lying, if you try that.

Frank tried to make a statistical argument, that if you broaden to include small towns and other provinces, the trend of blacks being the crime problem disappears. His argument relied on a statistical analysis which was deeply flawed. The argument that in Toronto the violent crime is all by blacks does not rely on a statistical argument--we can observe it directly and look at the police reports.

It may or may not be true that in other cities blacks do not commit a majority of the crime. It is CERTAINLY true in Toronto. In Edmonton and Winnipeg it's natives that commit most of the crime, which can be seen clearly in their police reports.

 

[fuji]

I'll take fuji's "argument" a step further, since 90% of all pedo's are men, we should set up spot-checks around every school, and pull over any male within 1,000 yards

More stupidity from you. 90% of pedos are NOT men. When I view the disciplinary reports from Toronto schools as to what teachers have been fired for having sexual relationships with students I find that there are a large number of women. Men may outnumber women, but not by a lot.

Once again you are just making shit up and hoping nobody will notice your lies.

 

[fuji]

By the way your police blotted technique would be called sampling bias.

You don't understand "sampling bias". If the claim is that blacks in Toronto are the cause of most of the violence crime it is not sampling bias, because we have all of the data, 100% of it is there in that police blotter. No sampling.

You could argue that Toronto is not representative of the black community in Canada as a whole, that somehow Toronto blacks are criminal fucktards, while the blacks elsewhere are shining citizens. To settle that argument we will have to go do that regression test, or something similar. But for now we can confidently say that blacks in Toronto ARE the violent crime problem.