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Perks apologizes for foul-mouthed barb during heated gun debate

GameBoy27

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Seriously, Perks is so out of touch reality!

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/10/councillor-shoots-from-the-lip

Gord Perks fired off the F-bomb at a fellow councillor during a city council debate Wednesday night.

Perks discharged the fully loaded foul language during a heated debate on allowing the Toronto Sportsmen's Show to return to city-owned Exhibition Place. Council eventually approved the show's return in a 19 to 11 vote.

After 62 years on the CNE grounds, the show, which allows some vendors to display guns, had been forced to set up shop in the Metro Toronto Convention Centre for the last three years due to the anti-gun policies council approved at the time.

In the lead up to the vote, the council debate quickly became a debate about gun violence, with several councillors, including Perks, arguing the five-day show taking place on city property "reinforces and builds the culture of guns in the city."

"We're taking a principled stand," Perks said. "We are going to lead by example. We are going to have clean hands."

But Councillor Josh Colle said residents he spoke to in a neighbourhood in his ward plagued by seven shootings this year were baffled by council's stand on the sportsmen's show.

"They see this as a debate that makes downtown, I hate to say it, white people feel better that they've done something when they are suffering from this gun violence day after day," Colle said before stopping his speech.

"What did you just mouth?" Colle then asked Perks across the council floor.

"F---off," Perks said before indicating he was angered by Colle's "downtown white people" reference.

Perks quickly said he was sorry. "Sorry, I withdraw the remarks, it was unparliamentary, I apologize," he said.

Some councillors unsuccessfully suggested motions that would have banned the sportsmen's show from having any guns, even if it was allowed back in Exhibition Place.

Councillor Doug Ford blasted Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam for suggesting legal guns often play a violent role in domestic disputes.

"It is totally (irresponsible) for an elected official to imply that when they get in a fight the man is going to shoot the woman with a gun because he's a gun owner," Ford said.

Sportsmen's Show chairman Walter Oster welcomed the vote result which means around $750,000 in net revenue for the city. "Everything that is in our show is part of our heritage, Ontario's heritage," he said.
 

massman

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Good. Just how many gun crimes in TO are committed with high powered hunting rifles. Plus the use of guns in hunting is perfectly legal, and hunters are amongst the greatest advocates of safe and responsible gun use.
 

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The Sun's report said:
Councillor Doug Ford blasted Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam for suggesting legal guns often play a violent role in domestic disputes.

"It is totally (irresponsible) for an elected official to imply that when they get in a fight the man is going to shoot the woman with a gun because he's a gun owner," Ford said.
Doug's words are interesting; I wonder what Wong-Tam's words were. She strikes me as someone much too thoughtful, and politically aware to have actually said "…the man is going to shoot the woman", and I'd bet money she didn't say one gender or the other. I'd bet she didn't even imply men were the shooters, though they do tend to be statistically. But that's clearly what Dougie inferred. We note the Sun quoted only his pronouncement to his base, and not the evil Ms Wong-Tam's remarks that provoked it.

Anyway, your local Grammar Police note the illustration of the difference between infer and imply. As long as you only blame your opponent for implying what you inferred, they can't say you misquoted them.

Doesn't make your point any less weak though.
 

K Douglas

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Wong Tam is just another left wing idealogue on council. Same with Perks who I believe was once affiliated with OCAP.
 

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Wong Tam is just another left wing idealogue on council. Same with Perks who I believe was once affiliated with OCAP.
Perks is a complete fool. He was my councilor when I lifed in T.O.
 

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When will they ever learn, it's the unregistered guns, mostly hand guns, in the hands of criminals that are the problem. Not a duck gun in the hands of bubba. who gets out there twice a year and misses more than he hits.
 

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Wong Tam is just another left wing idealogue on council. Same with Perks who I believe was once affiliated with OCAP.
Maybe a bit of fact checking before you provide completely false information would have been in order. He actually just spoke at a Rally where OCAP was present, a long way from being affiliated with them. Lets not let facts get in the way though, OK. ;)

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oldjones

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Wong Tam is just another left wing idealogue on council. Same with Perks who I believe was once affiliated with OCAP.
And Doug Ford's a right-wing simpleton, but saying so adds nothing to the debate or to anyone's understanding of the issues. Just like your comment above, it's irrelevant. Your fellow-citizens and mine voted those folks in—stupid and stupider—and we'll get nowhere by name-calling like simple-minded infants.

Talking sense might help them.

Oh, BTW: Along the lines of damning Perks for other things he's done, I believe Rob Ford actually coaches boys to attack each other physically.
 

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If there are handguns or automatic assault type weapons for sale or on display at the show, then Perks is taking a principled stand that one is free to agree with or disagree with. If there are only hunting guns at the show, then Perks is out to lunch on this one. Either way, he is not advocating that the Sportsman Show be banned from Toronto, just that the City not be involved in the promotion of guns by providing the facilities for the show.
 
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I think what is being overlooked here is the statement that Perks reacted to:
"They see this as a debate that makes downtown, I hate to say it, white people feel better that they've done something when they are suffering from this gun violence day after day,"

Sorry but I would react the same way! Especially in light of what happened in Florida this spring. Is Colle (who I happen to feel is a good councillor) promoting people buying guns for self protection? If that is the case then yeah - FUCK-OFF because we see what the results are.

And for background I hunt, I have more than a dozen guns ranging from .22 to a .30.30 and I talke my sons hunting. I like to go to the sportsman's show but I don't believe it should be turned into a gun show for self-defence.
 

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If there are handguns or automatic assault type weapons for sale or on display at the show, then Perks is taking a principled stand that one is free to agree with or disagree with. If there are only hunting guns at the show, then Perks is out to lunch on this one. Either way, he is not advocating that the Sportsman Show be banned from Toronto, just that the City not be involved in the promotion of guns by providing the facilities for the show.
There will probably be a handgun or two. "Automatic assault type weapons" are illegal in Canada, even if you have a firearms license, unless you owned one prior to the gun control legislation and are grandfathered. So there won't be any of those.

To get a firearms license you have to pass a background check that is more rigorous than what is required to get a passport. Unlike a passport application, the RCMP will actually call you, and your references, as well as doing a detailed computer search to see if there are any signs that you might not be suitable. If anyone raises any concerns your application will be denied. If you were involved in any violent incidents in the past five years, even if you weren't convicted--denied. Any evidence that you've ever been suicidal, had any sort of substance abuse problem, or any other such thing--denied.

The idea that the sort of people who can pass that background check are going to go pick up a gun at the Sportsman Show, and then rob a convenience store with it, or engage in a little drive by shooting--it's ridiculous.
 

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There will probably be a handgun or two. "Automatic assault type weapons" are illegal in Canada, even if you have a firearms license, unless you owned one prior to the gun control legislation and are grandfathered. So there won't be any of those.

To get a firearms license you have to pass a background check that is more rigorous than what is required to get a passport. Unlike a passport application, the RCMP will actually call you, and your references, as well as doing a detailed computer search to see if there are any signs that you might not be suitable. If anyone raises any concerns your application will be denied. If you were involved in any violent incidents in the past five years, even if you weren't convicted--denied. Any evidence that you've ever been suicidal, had any sort of substance abuse problem, or any other such thing--denied.

The idea that the sort of people who can pass that background check are going to go pick up a gun at the Sportsman Show, and then rob a convenience store with it, or engage in a little drive by shooting--it's ridiculous.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
 

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And Doug Ford's a right-wing simpleton, but saying so adds nothing to the debate or to anyone's understanding of the issues. Just like your comment above, it's irrelevant.
Odd how you don't make the same point to Anbarandy and her ilk. Selective application I guess.

Perks does not exactly have a shining record in others aspects of his job, particularly the financial, so just add this to the overall evaluation.
 

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He immediately apologized.

That's refreshing, you'd never get the bully and liar who leads the city to ever admit he was wrong. Instead that clown made Toronto into a laughingstock all around the world for electing such a bozo.
 

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that clown made Toronto into a laughingstock all around the world for electing such a bozo.
Maybe TO deserves to be laughingstock -- or are you holding up the other amalgamation mayors as paragons of quiet rectitude, concerned that the city should be governed well?
 

oldjones

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Odd how you don't make the same point to Anbarandy and her ilk. Selective application I guess.

Perks does not exactly have a shining record in others aspects of his job, particularly the financial, so just add this to the overall evaluation.
Anabarandy's typical post is a complete quote of a news article, and a comment, and nothing at all like KD's unsupported, prejudiced one-line insults. Not that you've noticed apparently, so I address my point to you as well.

Got anything to contribute to the topic? It might be amusing to imagine a connection between either foul language, or a less than shining record as a Councillor and being anti-gun, but you haven't established the relevance. In any case The Brother's Ford have records as both foul-tongued and less than shining Councillors, but seem to be pro-gun in this debate.
 
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