Toronto Star: Video shows Montreal taxi running over man during fight/dispute.

[black booty lover]

the thug that was run over tried to open the door after kicking the car.

Watch the video again. The thug that got run over did not try and open the door. In fact, he kicked it closed. If you ask me, I don't think that particular individual was really trying to hurt the cab driver. It's almost like he was trying to damage the car as opposed to actually hurt the cab driver. The guy who was jumping on the roof is a whole other ball of wax.

Having all that said, I've been frustrated at cab drivers too. I remember once, specifically telling a cab driver "I'm giving you $40.00 to get me to X, no need to take any crazy detours if I give you $40.00 agree?" Guys say sure, then what the fuck does he do??? Take a weird fucking long detour to where X was and looks and the meter and says " it's going to be 50". I got into it with him and I was so pissed we almost got into an actual fight. I basically through the 40 in the front seat and left.

Point my story is this, none of know what actually happened or led up to this so why are we all so quick to blame the guys? Maybe he was some nutzo cabe driver that already did try to ram them. If a cab driver tried to ram me and my buddies when we younger we'd probably loose our shit and try and cause damage to the cab or possibly to the driver too.

Just trying to show an objective point of view.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Watch the video again. The thug that got run over did not try and open the door. In fact, he kicked it closed. If you ask me, I don't think that particular individual was really trying to hurt the cab driver. It's almost like he was trying to damage the car as opposed to actually hurt the cab driver. The guy who was jumping on the roof is a whole other ball of wax.

Having all that said, I've been frustrated at cab drivers too. I remember once, specifically telling a cab driver "I'm giving you $40.00 to get me to X, no need to take any crazy detours if I give you $40.00 agree?" Guys say sure, then what the fuck does he do??? Take a weird fucking long detour to where X was and looks and the meter and says " it's going to be 50". I got into it with him and I was so pissed we almost got into an actual fight. I basically through the 40 in the front seat and left.

Point my story is this, none of know what actually happened or led up to this so why are we all so quick to blame the guys? Maybe he was some nutzo cabe driver that already did try to ram them. If a cab driver tried to ram me and my buddies when we younger we'd probably loose our shit and try and cause damage to the cab or possibly to the driver too.

Just trying to show an objective point of view.

You just finished explaining how frustrated you've been at cab drivers, giving us an example, then say you are being objective? You say we don't know what happened but then you theorize he was nutzo?

Maybe he was, but so far it looks like three drunk passengers got into an argument because they didn't want to pay the charges legally incurred on the meter when they were waiting in traffic, then began racially insulting the driver. But yeah, you are propbably right, the driver must have had a bad night and decided to run some random innocent peoiple over.

I imagine I would look pretty nutzo too, if some guy was jumping on the roof of my car, a crowd was forming, someone was trying to open my car door, and I was trying to get away before they could get a hold of me. Yeah, I would probably look pretty nutzo at that point too!

 

[GG2]

Watch the video again. The thug that got run over did not try and open the door. In fact, he kicked it closed. If you ask me, I don't think that particular individual was really trying to hurt the cab driver. It's almost like he was trying to damage the car as opposed to actually hurt the cab driver. The guy who was jumping on the roof is a whole other ball of wax.

Having all that said, I've been frustrated at cab drivers too. I remember once, specifically telling a cab driver "I'm giving you $40.00 to get me to X, no need to take any crazy detours if I give you $40.00 agree?" Guys say sure, then what the fuck does he do??? Take a weird fucking long detour to where X was and looks and the meter and says " it's going to be 50". I got into it with him and I was so pissed we almost got into an actual fight. I basically through the 40 in the front seat and left.

Point my story is this, none of know what actually happened or led up to this so why are we all so quick to blame the guys? Maybe he was some nutzo cabe driver that already did try to ram them. If a cab driver tried to ram me and my buddies when we younger we'd probably loose our shit and try and cause damage to the cab or possibly to the driver too.

Just trying to show an objective point of view.

Whether the cab was 'nutzo' or not, a responsible person doesn't escalate a bad situation. You certainly don't climb atop or get in front of a 'nutzo' cab driver's car, if you're of average intelligence.

 

[fuji]

Pretty clear that regardless of if he rammed a lamp post prior, the cab driver was NOT moving when his car was attacked and the thug that was run over tried to open the door after kicking the car.

It really does depend a lot on what happened before the video was rolling. If the cab driver was the instigator, if he previously assaulted the thugs, then he will have a hard time arguing self defense, even though by the time of the video, he's not moving.

Suppose you're standing in a bar minding your own business, and a guy comes up and punches you in the face as hard as he can. Then he stands back pointing at you, taunting you, laughing at you, as you pick yourself up off the floor and shake yourself off. He doesn't leave or back off, but continues to threaten you and taunt you. After a few more taunts you've had enough and you go after him, at which point he beats the crap out of you. He can't REALLY claim self defense, even though there was a time interval where he wasn't punching you.

We really don't know why the cab hit a lamp post. It's possible it was just an accident, that escalated the whole thing. It's equally possible that the cab driver had already previously tried to ram people with his cab, and simply didn't succeed in hitting them until after the video started rolling. If it's the latter case, he has NO claim for self defense. The thugs are idiots for staying there, but it's possible they're the victims, who were responding to being attacked previously, and then lost the fight.

I am more than willing to consider that the cab driver is the victim here, that is certainly a possibility--I'm just saying that we simply don't have enough information to know that, and the conclusions you guys are jumping to are completely unwarranted, based on partial information.

I note that one of the charges the cabbie faces is "dangerous driving", I bet that relates to events that occurred prior to the video rolling. The cabbie admitted to "chasing" people with his car, which appears to have resulted in the lamp post crash. Whether "chasing" included "aiming at" is a big question, but that almost certainly would justifya dangerous driving charge, and it is NOT on the video tape.

 

[fuji]

The prosecution did not introduce the video in court at the bail hearing

That leads me to believe the cab driver is being charged for events that happened BEFORE the video was recorded. If his charges relate to earlier behavior then the video will not be introduced as what happened afterwards would be irrelevant. It sounds like he has been charged at least in part based on his own statement to police.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

That leads me to believe the cab driver is being charged for events that happened BEFORE the video was recorded. If his charges relate to earlier behavior then the video will not be introduced as what happened afterwards would be irrelevant. It sounds like he has been charged at least in part based on his own statement to police.

Even the judge thought that not introducing the video was peculiar, the bail hearing is to establish the amount of bail based on the seriousness of the crime charges. The judge said that half of Quebec has seen the video, and that the prosecution was not prepared so based on the evidence in front of him he put the bail at a low amount with minimal conditions.

 

[mykonos]

Please explain to me how did this fine gentleman and many like him were admitted into Canada? Was there such a shortage of taxi drivers that we had to import them from all over asia/africa?

 

[Sexy_Dave]

According to the news reports on CBC last night the dispute began up the block, as the guy who took one of the videos reported. Apparently, it was over a $9 fare. CBC did not say whether the fare was paid or not just that that was what instigated it all. They guys left the cab , assuming without paying, the driver got out of the cab after them. Whether this happened before he hit the lamp or not was not made clear but it sounds as though he tried to catch up with them as they took off down the sidewalk and veered into the lamp post. He apparently got out of the cab and yelling ensued. Then he got back in the cab and proceeded down the block where the video begins.

Details are still a little sketchy.

 

[Sexy_Dave]

Please explain to me how did this fine gentleman and many like him were admitted into Canada? Was there such a shortage of taxi drivers that we had to import them from all over asia/africa?

He is Haitian.

 

[Sexy_Dave]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...eged-hit-and-run-granted-bail/article2420467/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...eal-taxi-driver-bail-hearing-hit-and-run.html

 

[black booty lover]

You just finished explaining how frustrated you've been at cab drivers, giving us an example, then say you are being objective? You say we don't know what happened but then you theorize he was nutzo?

Maybe he was, but so far it looks like three drunk passengers got into an argument because they didn't want to pay the charges legally incurred on the meter when they were waiting in traffic, then began racially insulting the driver. But yeah, you are propbably right, the driver must have had a bad night and decided to run some random innocent peoiple over.

I imagine I would look pretty nutzo too, if some guy was jumping on the roof of my car, a crowd was forming, someone was trying to open my car door, and I was trying to get away before they could get a hold of me. Yeah, I would probably look pretty nutzo at that point too!

You completley miss-read my post.

I'm objective is that everyone is so quick to blame the guys and assumed they STARTED the confrontation. My story about my situation was how the cab driver fucked me over, then got upset with me and a dsipute insued. Eveyone just assumes cause these guys were drunk, and saw the video of them jumping on his car that they started it. My point was maybe they were in a similar situation .You also cleary missed the word "MAYBE" he was a crazy taxi driver. Again, as you CLEARLY missed my point, NONE of us know what happened or how this started or why it esclated so bad. The fact the taxi driver is being charged with more shit from where it started down the street, leads me to believe the guy was a bit nutzo.

 

[black booty lover]

Whether the cab was 'nutzo' or not, a responsible person doesn't escalate a bad situation. You certainly don't climb atop or get in front of a 'nutzo' cab driver's car, if you're of average intelligence.

You certaintly don't try and run someone over with your car either.

 

[Sexy_Dave]

You completley miss-read my post. I'm objective that everyone is so quick to blame the guys and assuming they STARTED the confrontation. You also cleary missed the word "MAYBE" he was a crazy taxi driver. Again, as you CLEARLY missed my point, NONE of us know what happened or how this started why it esclated so bad. The fact the taxi driver is being charged with more shit from where it started to down the street, leads me to believe the guy was a bit nutzo.

We do know how it started. Read the news links I posted above.
The guys left the cab while it was stuck in traffic without paying what driver saisd was a 9$ charge on the meter which the guys said was only $5. They went down the street and the cabbie chased after them. He hit the lamp post either by losing control of the car or by trying to hit the guy, depending on who you believe.

 

[GG2]

You certaintly don't try and run someone over with your car either.

How do you know he tried to run over anybody? From what I saw, a thug made a wrong move at the wrong time and ended up under a car.

We know for a fact that a group of thugs successfully climbed onto the vehicle and put themselves in front of the moving vehicle.

All this over a $4 discrepancy ($9 vs $5 cab fare) and even if the thugs thought it was $5, why didn't they at least pay the $5?

Those losers got what was coming to them, and if they keep up that type of behavior they'll get served again at some other time in life.

 

[diehard]

 

[diehard]

It's funny because it seems a lot of these situations escalate or are created needlessly. To me, the guy in the car got too close and too fast, and that's probably what created that initial reaction.

 

[rhuarc29]

It's funny because it seems a lot of these situations escalate or are created needlessly. To me, the guy in the car got too close and too fast, and that's probably what created that initial reaction.

It could be that the driver got too close, too fast because they were jaywalking. In that case, it is the pedestrians that created the initial reaction. It's all a point of view. Who is to blame? All of them, because they deliberately escalated the situation to make a point.

 

[fuji]

How do you know he tried to run over anybody? From what I saw, a thug made a wrong move at the wrong time and ended up under a car.

Pedestrians have the right of way. He was clearly aware that they were present around his car.

I trust you will reply that he felt threatened, which means you have to back off your claim that he didn't try to run anyone over.

We know for a fact that a group of thugs successfully climbed onto the vehicle and put themselves in front of the moving vehicle

Actually no, the vehicle was stopped, and actually accelerated into the thug.

All this over a $4 discrepancy ($9 vs $5 cab fare) and even if the thugs thought it was $5, why didn't they at least pay the $5?

By the time of the video it was over a smashed up car, but yeah, not worth it. Both sides are idiots no matter who winds up legally right or wrong.

 

[fuji]

Well maybe initial reactions to things that can kill you should be to stop fucking with it and go the other way?

No argument there, the thugs were clearly idiots and to my eye clearly guilty of vandalism, too. However I saw no indication that they deserved to be murdered, and it did not look like an accident. Moreover if the cabbie instigated it by attacking first it's hard to see hire he can claim self defense.

 

[black booty lover]

No I'm not able to ascribe intent. What I'm able to do is tell you "thugs" and other witness side of the story before the camera started rolling, hence the the damage to his car when he hit a light pole trying to ram one of them.