Somebody gets it. Are there conspiracies in the pharmaceutical industry, yes. Is it wide spread, no.
Will we ever find a cure for Cancer?
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Somebody gets it. Are there conspiracies in the pharmaceutical industry, yes. Is it wide spread, no.
Thats basically what I'm trying to say though. There isnt a huge conspiracy throughout the pharmaceutical industry, there are maybe a handful of top execs who do know about iodine's ability to cure melanoma, but there's also probably just as many execs who dont know about it.
My point is since iodine directly competes with chemo drugs, its in their best interest to keep a lid on these type of "hippie" cures. And they do so through ridicule. And judging by some of the posts in this thread that ridicule is still working quite well, even to this day.
FYI curing melanoma with iodine has been around since the late 1800's
Watching a movie (Dying Young) right now about a 28 year old man dying of leukemnia(sp). One of my co-workers passed in his 50's from leukemnia(sp).
So the American Cancer soiciety is wrong?
Although there have been many testimonials, there have been no clinical trials testing the effectiveness of Essiac or Flor Essence. Reviews of medical records of people who have been treated with Essiac do not support claims that this product helps people with cancer live longer or that it relieves their symptoms.
Animal studies conducted at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center and the NCI from the 1950s through the 1980s concluded that Essiac was not effective. The majority of subsequent studies have confirmed these findings. A recent laboratory study found that Essiac and Flor Essence actually increased growth of breast cancer cells. Flor Essence has not been tested as a cancer treatment in humans.
Some components of Essiac and Flor Essence have been tested individually in laboratory and animal studies. Some of these studies identified substances with anti-tumor or anti-inflammatory properties. However, these results do not mean that either of these formulas helps humans. To the contrary, the available scientific information indicates that these products are not helpful in treating people.
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Tre...eMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/essiac-tea
...and the UK cancer society is wrong; http://cancerhelp.cancerresearchuk....nt/complementary-alternative/therapies/essiac
[h=2]Research into Essiac in cancer treatment[/h]
Although there have been many testimonials, there have been no clinical trials testing the effectiveness of Essiac or Flor Essence. Reviews of medical records of people who have been treated with Essiac do not support claims that this product helps people with cancer live longer or that it relieves their symptoms.
Animal studies conducted at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center and the NCI from the 1950s through the 1980s concluded that Essiac was not effective. The majority of subsequent studies have confirmed these findings. A recent laboratory study found that Essiac and Flor Essence actually increased growth of breast cancer cells. Flor Essence has not been tested as a cancer treatment in humans.
Some components of Essiac and Flor Essence have been tested individually in laboratory and animal studies. Some of these studies identified substances with anti-tumor or anti-inflammatory properties. However, these results do not mean that either of these formulas helps humans. To the contrary, the available scientific information indicates that these products are not helpful in treating people.
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Tre...eMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/essiac-tea
...and the UK cancer society is wrong; http://cancerhelp.cancerresearchuk....nt/complementary-alternative/therapies/essiac
[h=2]Research into Essiac in cancer treatment[/h]
Most of the websites promoting Essiac base their claims on unsupported opinions and anecdotal evidence. There have been no randomised clinical trials to prove whether the health claims made by the promoters of Essiac can help to treat or cure cancer.In 1959, and again in the 1970s, the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Centre tested Essiac in the laboratory. They found it had no anti cancer properties. The National Cancer Institute (NCI) in the USA was asked to test Essiac in the early 1980s. They said it did not appear to have any anti cancer effect, but did not seem to do any harm either. One study in 2006 found that when Essiac was added to breast cancer cells in test tubes, it stimulated the cancer cells to grow.
......and now from someone you could call neutral.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/357585-essiac-tea-and-cancer/
[h=2]Anticancer Effects[/h]The herbs contained in the Essiac mixture have shown some anticancer effects. A study titled "In vitro analysis of the herbal compound Essiac,"conducted by Seely and colleagues and published in the journal "Anticancer Research" in November 2007, analyzed the herbal compound Essiac and found it to have some antioxidant and immunomodulatory properties. Another study conducted by Tamayo and colleagues titled "The chemistry and biological activity of herbs used in Flor-Essence herbal tonic and Essiac," that was published February 14, 2000, in the journal "Phytotherapy Research," suggested that the tea improves quality of life, alleviates pain and impacts cancer progression.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/357585-essiac-tea-and-cancer/#ixzz1tOwOViCn
No cure here
......and now from someone you could call neutral.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/357585-essiac-tea-and-cancer/
[h=2]Anticancer Effects[/h]The herbs contained in the Essiac mixture have shown some anticancer effects. A study titled "In vitro analysis of the herbal compound Essiac,"conducted by Seely and colleagues and published in the journal "Anticancer Research" in November 2007, analyzed the herbal compound Essiac and found it to have some antioxidant and immunomodulatory properties. Another study conducted by Tamayo and colleagues titled "The chemistry and biological activity of herbs used in Flor-Essence herbal tonic and Essiac," that was published February 14, 2000, in the journal "Phytotherapy Research," suggested that the tea improves quality of life, alleviates pain and impacts cancer progression.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/357585-essiac-tea-and-cancer/#ixzz1tOwOViCn
No cure here
Conspiracy theory nuts are like Creationists, without the positive effects of religion. They believe what they believe, and damn you for thinking they're idiots.
Seriously, pharma execs love their profits so much they'll let their loved ones and THEMSELVES to die rather than use homeopathic cures that work? The cancer researchers will do that?
But no, a few people who are together enough to put a YouTube video up: THEY'RE the ones who know the secrets of curing cancer, right? What's next, Leroy Jenkins has the secrets to world peace? Nyan cat has discovered the Higgs-Boson particle? Two Girls One Cup have the cure for AIDS?
Conspiracy theorists are idiots who deserve the ridicule they get.
Seriously, pharma execs love their profits so much they'll let their loved ones and THEMSELVES to die rather than use homeopathic cures that work? The cancer researchers will do that?
But no, a few people who are together enough to put a YouTube video up: THEY'RE the ones who know the secrets of curing cancer, right? What's next, Leroy Jenkins has the secrets to world peace? Nyan cat has discovered the Higgs-Boson particle? Two Girls One Cup have the cure for AIDS?
Conspiracy theorists are idiots who deserve the ridicule they get.
You guys are right though, all those "hippie" drugs dont do anything.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go check my pharma stocks
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go check my pharma stocks
I don't read that in these post at all. We just read a little deeper than some others. A short list of anecdotal reports does not translate into. 'this cures cancers'.
You can't generalize about all conspiracy theorists just because one conspiracy theory doesn't make sense or is debunked (I don't believe in the ones claimed herein or 911).
It's interesting you would post something like that.
It sounds like you're part of the global underground network that's trying to undermine the efforts of conspiracy debunking.
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So how did I manage to cure my skin cancer with H2O2 then??
Was it luck?? Was it placebo effect?? What was it??
True.
I dont believe in 9/11 or fake moon landing conspiracy either. But that doesnt mean all conspiracy theories are wrong
Comparing skin cancer with the pancreatic cancer is a stretch. Early skin cancer is one of the easiest to cure in it's early stages, almost 100%, actually ~97% for 5 years and 95% for 10 years . Was it melignant or non malignant? The expected results with just H2O2 would be very different.
You might have also done the same with a good blade. Now give it to someone with pancreatic cancer and report back.
I love comments like this on sites about home cures.
From; http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/melanoma.html
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Even they don't take the information or stories as gospel.
According to this 'expert' H2O2 cures everything, including AIDS.
http://youtu.be/MSV4Sxydn0M
You didnt answer my question. So I'll ask again:
What in your estimation was it that got rid of my skin cancer after I applied H2O2 to the affected area of my skin?? Was it placebo effect, was it the H2O2 itself?? Was it luck?? What was it??
This is a standard disclaimer so they dont get sued. One person could try their methods, not cure his cancer and then go on and sue them for millions of $$
Guess what.......HE'S RIGHT!!
How can I answer your skin cancer question as i don't know if it was malignant, no malignant, or at what stage?
As for your claim that the H2O2 treatment cures AIDS, I won't even touch that fable. Hopefully others can help out after they wipe down their keyboards.
It as basal cell carcinoma, which I believe is non-malignant
Actually, since HIV is a retrovirus, it doesnt directly cure. It just keeps it in check so you dont develop fullblown AIDS.
Magic Johnson uses H2O2 daily, and has so ever since he got HIV in the 80's. Do you think its an accident he never got AIDS??
Ah, so now your position is that it doesn't cure aids, a claim which you supported in post #119 , but does help fight it. A big difference.
Since you don't know what other treatment s MJ is also involved in you even you can't answer that question, but maybe this can.
From; http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/1901-magic-johnson-hiv-aids-anniversary.html
So why is Johnson still alive?
The answer to Johnson's survival is far from "magic." According to reports, he takes the same kinds of drugs that are available to other HIV patients in the developed world, and increasingly in impoverished nations in Africa and Asia, where the disease still runs rampant. Many people have lived with HIV even longer than Johnson.
"There is nothing unique about Magic," said Spencer Lieb, senior epidemiologist and HIV/AIDS research coordinator for the Florida Consortium for HIV/AIDS Research. "There are still people alive and kicking and doing very well 20 and 30 years after infection." [Does Circumcision Prevent HIV? ]
Lieb said that in the state of Florida alone, hundreds of patients have hung on since becoming infected with HIV in the early 1980s, when the first confirmed AIDS cases turned up in the United States. But Johnson and these people are still in the minority: According to research and estimates by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.2 million Americans have HIV, and 20 percent of them are undiagnosed. Approximately 50,000 people become infected each year, and more than 18,000 die annually .
Stopping HIV in the back court
The key with Johnson and others has been preventing their incurable disease from progressing into full-blown AIDS.
Upon infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), a person's immune system kills off nearly all of the virus and infected cells. But some small number remain, and over time, those HIV cells replicate, and replicate, and replicate. Then, usually 10 years after the initial infection, the viral load reaches a critical count, and the virus begins killing off the vital immune cells that protect us against infections.
At that critical count, a person is considered to have acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS); with the body’s immunological defenses destroyed, it's usually only a matter of months before a range of opportunistic infections and cancers complete their lethal work.
Researchers have developed a number of powerful drugs to help people like Johnson avoid this fate. The key weapon has been a regimen of three or four antiretroviral drugs, collectively known as highly active antiretroviral therapy, or HAART.
According to a Newsweek story from last spring, one of Johnson's doctors who helped pioneer the treatment placed him on the then-experimental drug cocktail in 1994, about a year and a half before it came into widespread use in 1996. [Top 10 Stigmatized Health Disorders]
"Magic got a jumpstart on experimental drugs before they were released to the general public," Lieb told Life's Little Mysteries, "but there were many people in clinical trials benefitting at the same time."
The meds that slam dunk HIV
HIV spreads by hijacking a subset of white blood cells called T cells, which are the body's first line of defense against foreign invaders, and using the cells' DNA to make copies of itself or replicate; in this process, these T cells get destroyed. The most common drugs in the HAART regimen target two of the enzymes that HIV uses to replicate itself.
The first enzyme, called reverse transcriptase, turns the virus' genetic instructions encoded in a single RNA strand into double-stranded DNA. (In scientific terms, this mode of replication classifies HIV as a retrovirus, hence "antiretroviral" drugs.)
The second enzyme, known as protease, creates new, functional HIV virus particles by cutting up the proteins cranked out by our hijacked cellular machinery.
Medication can disrupt these processes, and to that end, Johnson is currently taking reverse transcriptase inhibitor and protease inhibitor drugs, which are contained in the pharmaceuticals Trizivir and Kaletra, respectively, as reported by Newsweek.
Although these and other HIV-fighting drugs are "hideously expensive," Lieb noted, so are a substantial number of prescription drugs for much more everyday diseases.
Public and private medical insurance, as well as various assistance programs, make the medicines affordable and available to the vast majority of patients in the United States and other parts of the world. It is a "myth," said Lieb, that Johnson, who is wealthy, is buying himself special treatments.
Staying in the game
By taking the right regimen every day, most HIV patients can see the number of virus particles in a sample of their blood, or viral load, become undetectably low.
Not only does a low viral count stave off symptoms of HIV and AIDS, but it also slashes the odds of a randomly mutated copy of the virus emerging that can prove resistant to the therapy. Furthermore, a low viral load severely reduces the risk of transmitting the virus to others.
Yet even without modern drugs, in rare instances an HIV-positive person can manage on their own to keep AIDS at bay. These "long-term nonprogressors" or "elite controllers," estimated at as few as one in 500, have lived for decades with HIV, despite not being on antiretroviral therapy.
It is not known if Johnson is among this "scarce breed," as Lieb called them, but more than likely "without medications, he'd be progressing."
Researchers continue to study long-term nonprogressors for get insights on HIV resistance that could help the 33 million people battling the virus.
As Johnson has prominently shown, however, those with HIV can still live productive lives. Lieb has seen many such promising cases in person. "We have very buff-looking, healthy-looking HIV patients who have been infected for ages," Lieb said. "You can't tell the difference between them and you and me."
Odd, no mention of H2O2. I know, Big Pharma and the doctors want to keep it secret.
By the way, a basil cell carcinoma is the most common skin cancers in humans, but accounts for less than 0.1 % of deaths in patients due to cancer, because it very rarely metastasizes, under ~0.50%.
I was merely clarifying my statement. But yes, I was wrong in saying it cures, it only controls.
Incidently enough, protease inhibitors dont cure HIV either, its just stops the virus from progressing
Anti-HIV drugs only came around in the late 90's. I'll let you take 3 guesses what MJ took up until that time (it starts with an H).
Again, thats just what the media reported, I dont know the man personally so obviously I cant be 100% sure he took H2O2
I've never thought PIs did that, so no need to update me, also I won't guess and you shouldn't either. H2O2 certainly doesn't 'control' AIDS either, pleeeasse.
Is that the same media that claims H2O2 cures cancer?
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