Conservative Politics, 'Low-Effort' Thinking Linked In New Study

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thoughts? I tend to agree though I think that those who have something to win by supporting Conservative ideology also support the right out of self interest... (just my opinion). It's notsomuch a lack of intelligence - moreso taking the easy way out where answers are given rather than thought out and questioned....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...e-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html

Conservatives and liberals don't seem to agree about much, and they might not agree about recent studies linking conservatism to low intelligence and "low-effort" thinking.
As The Huffington Post reported in February, a study published in the journal "Psychological Science" showed that children who score low on intelligence tests gravitate toward socially conservative political views in adulthood--perhaps because conservative ideologies stress "structure and order" that make it easier to understand a complicated world.
Ouch.
And now there's the new study linking conservative ideologies to "low-effort" thinking.
"People endorse conservative ideology more when they have to give a first or fast response," the study's lead author, University of Arkansas psychologist Dr. Scott Eidelman, said in a written statement released by the university.
Does the finding suggest that conservatives are lazy thinkers?
"Not quite," Dr. Eidelman told The Huffington Post in an email. "Our research shows that low-effort thought promotes political conservatism, not that political conservatives use low-effort thinking."
For the study, a team of psychologists led by Dr. Eidelman asked people about their political viewpoints in a bar and in a laboratory setting.
Bar patrons were asked about social issues before blowing into a Breathalyzer. As it turned out, the political viewpoints of patrons with high blood alcohol levels were more likely to be conservative than were those of patrons whose blood alcohol levels were low.
But it wasn't just the alcohol talking, according to the statement. When the researchers conducted similar interviews in the lab, they found that people who were asked to evaluate political ideas quickly or while distracted were more likely to express conservative viewpoints.
"Keeping people from thinking too much...or just asking them to deliberate or consider information in a cursory manner can impact people's political attitudes, and in a way that consistently promotes political conservatism," Dr. Eidelman said in the email.
The study was published online in the journal "Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin."
 

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thoughts? I tend to agree though I think that those who have something to win by supporting Conservative ideology also support the right out of self interest... (just my opinion). It's notsomuch a lack of intelligence - moreso taking the easy way out where answers are given rather than thought out and questioned....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...e-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html

Conservatives and liberals don't seem to agree about much, and they might not agree about recent studies linking conservatism to low intelligence and "low-effort" thinking.
As The Huffington Post reported in February, a study published in the journal "Psychological Science" showed that children who score low on intelligence tests gravitate toward socially conservative political views in adulthood--perhaps because conservative ideologies stress "structure and order" that make it easier to understand a complicated world.
Ouch.
And now there's the new study linking conservative ideologies to "low-effort" thinking.
"People endorse conservative ideology more when they have to give a first or fast response," the study's lead author, University of Arkansas psychologist Dr. Scott Eidelman, said in a written statement released by the university.
Does the finding suggest that conservatives are lazy thinkers?
"Not quite," Dr. Eidelman told The Huffington Post in an email. "Our research shows that low-effort thought promotes political conservatism, not that political conservatives use low-effort thinking."
For the study, a team of psychologists led by Dr. Eidelman asked people about their political viewpoints in a bar and in a laboratory setting.
Bar patrons were asked about social issues before blowing into a Breathalyzer. As it turned out, the political viewpoints of patrons with high blood alcohol levels were more likely to be conservative than were those of patrons whose blood alcohol levels were low.
But it wasn't just the alcohol talking, according to the statement. When the researchers conducted similar interviews in the lab, they found that people who were asked to evaluate political ideas quickly or while distracted were more likely to express conservative viewpoints.
"Keeping people from thinking too much...or just asking them to deliberate or consider information in a cursory manner can impact people's political attitudes, and in a way that consistently promotes political conservatism," Dr. Eidelman said in the email.
The study was published online in the journal "Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin."
I would tend to agree with that conclusion. Not conservatism per se but the American brand of it tends to discourage any kind of complex thought and prefer to go with simplistic solutions to complex problems. Hence, the tax pledge, balanced budget amendment, mandatory sentencing. Very broad generalization and there are obviously many very, very bright conservatives in the US but the GOP in general and the Tea Party in particular are perfect examples of this. And Sarah Palin could be the poster child.
 

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thoughts? I tend to agree though I think that those who have something to win by supporting Conservative ideology also support the right out of self interest... (just my opinion). It's notsomuch a lack of intelligence - moreso taking the easy way out where answers are given rather than thought out and questioned....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...e-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html

Conservatives and liberals don't seem to agree about much, and they might not agree about recent studies linking conservatism to low intelligence and "low-effort" thinking.
As The Huffington Post reported in February, a study published in the journal "Psychological Science" showed that children who score low on intelligence tests gravitate toward socially conservative political views in adulthood--perhaps because conservative ideologies stress "structure and order" that make it easier to understand a complicated world.
Ouch.
And now there's the new study linking conservative ideologies to "low-effort" thinking.
"People endorse conservative ideology more when they have to give a first or fast response," the study's lead author, University of Arkansas psychologist Dr. Scott Eidelman, said in a written statement released by the university.
Does the finding suggest that conservatives are lazy thinkers?
"Not quite," Dr. Eidelman told The Huffington Post in an email. "Our research shows that low-effort thought promotes political conservatism, not that political conservatives use low-effort thinking."
For the study, a team of psychologists led by Dr. Eidelman asked people about their political viewpoints in a bar and in a laboratory setting.
Bar patrons were asked about social issues before blowing into a Breathalyzer. As it turned out, the political viewpoints of patrons with high blood alcohol levels were more likely to be conservative than were those of patrons whose blood alcohol levels were low.
But it wasn't just the alcohol talking, according to the statement. When the researchers conducted similar interviews in the lab, they found that people who were asked to evaluate political ideas quickly or while distracted were more likely to express conservative viewpoints.
"Keeping people from thinking too much...or just asking them to deliberate or consider information in a cursory manner can impact people's political attitudes, and in a way that consistently promotes political conservatism," Dr. Eidelman said in the email.
The study was published online in the journal "Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin."
The study of genetics and politics is in its infancy but it is producing some interesting results.

Now an online journal like that is kind of "science light" (at best), however there are some better studies being done, world wide, correlating with the big data base of twin data that is helping us understand that there may be inherent biological differences between conservatives and liberals. Here are some recent articles on the topic, both pro and contra:

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/politics-may-be-partly-genetic-now-what/

http://www.science20.com/science_20/does_voting_make_epigenetic_changes-88861

http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/10/born-this-way

I think the last one is the best.

My impression is that the data seems to be pointing towards a fear/thrill seeking dichotomy rather than an intelligence difference.

Jennifer if you keep posting cool stuff like this I will have to make an appointment to come visit you...but I don't know if I can afford your rates just for talking!
 

Jennifer_

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Jennifer if you keep posting cool stuff like this I will have to make an appointment to come visit you...but I don't know if I can afford your rates just for talking!
haha - more than anything I worry I'm offending people left right and center when I post on certain topics :p

ps If I offend anyone forgive me - I get a bit nuts with political stuff - I know how to keep my mouth shut lol
 

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haha - more than anything I worry I'm offending people left right and center when I post on certain topics :p

ps If I offend anyone forgive me - I get a bit nuts with political stuff - I know how to keep my mouth shut lol
Well, then you're automatically better then 90% of people in this forum who don't know when to keep their mouth shut. Guilty of it myself from time to time. As far as this thread topic I would tend to agree. The main thing that has struck me about the conservative folks that I know, is that generally they are incurious. They are fine with the way things are, or how they remember them as being.
 

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I would tend to agree with that conclusion. Not conservatism per se but the American brand of it tends to discourage any kind of complex thought and prefer to go with simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Indeed!!!
We see this demonstrated time and time again by our friends on the right in this forum....:thumb:

Reduce the argument to a 'lapel button' or a 'bumper sticker' and they are good to go!...:biggrin1:
 

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As a self-proclaimed right-wing knuckle-dragger, I'll say this: it's difficult to swallow the idea that people on the left are supposed to be more independent thinkers.

On TERB, for example, the opponents of free speech and independent thought almost always tend to be the lefties.

They're the ones who continue to champion things like the Orwellian "human rights" commissions and so-called "hate crime" laws -- government bodies that have nothing to do with human rights or hate, and everything to do with state censorship and prosecuting political incorrectness.

On some threads, in fact, I think I was the only one that championed independent thought. The lefties seem to prefer "low-level" thinking, leaving it to government to decide what we can and cannot think about so-called "Islamophobic" films like The Stoning of Soraya M, a film recommended by the OP.

Look at our universities. It's the left who continue to push "political correctness" and the suppression of ideas. It saddens me to see the number of young people today who think state censorship is a good thing. Don't they teach Nineteen Eighty-Four in our schools any more, or does its title make it seem too outdated?

I believe in free speech and challenging the status quo. I wish the lefties who claim to be "high-effort" thinkers would stop being so bound to conformity and try thinking for themselves.

To quote from the Life of Brian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA):

You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals.
 

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For the thousandth time these studies are all biased because they are performed by so called "scientists" with an agenda. Its liberalism run amuck.
 

toguy5252

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As a self-proclaimed right-wing knuckle-dragger, I'll say this: it's difficult to swallow the idea that people on the left are supposed to be more independent thinkers.

On TERB, for example, the opponents of free speech and independent thought almost always tend to be the lefties.

They're the ones who continue to champion things like the Orwellian "human rights" commissions and so-called "hate crime" laws -- government bodies that have nothing to do with human rights or hate, and everything to do with state censorship and prosecuting political incorrectness.

On some threads, in fact, I think I was the only one that championed independent thought. The lefties seem to prefer "low-level" thinking, leaving it to government to decide what we can and cannot think about so-called "Islamophobic" films like The Stoning of Soraya M, a film recommended by the OP.

Look at our universities. It's the left who continue to push "political correctness" and the suppression of ideas. It saddens me to see the number of young people today who think state censorship is a good thing. Don't they teach Nineteen Eighty-Four in our schools any more, or does its title make it seem too outdated?

I believe in free speech and challenging the status quo. I wish the lefties who claim to be "high-effort" thinkers would stop being so bound to conformity and try thinking for themselves.

To quote from the Life of Brian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA):
LOL. as opposed to all those freedom and liberty loving GOP types who championed the Patriot Act. Wait a second didn't they also try and censor anything suggestive on TV or radio.

I haven't heard any of the so called lefties arguing for censorship. Once again a straw man is created tro make a point which is not really there.
 

Moviefan-2

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I haven`t heard any of the so called lefties arguing for censorship.
I have. Here are a couple of examples:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?333301-Free-speech-in-Canada-You-must-be-joking

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?287888-Hate-crimes-against-shiksas-and-Nazis&highlight=

Indeed, in the second thread, you were one of the guys who argued in favour of state censorship. :biggrin1:

It`s not a straw man at all. The thread is about which political people favour bold and creative thinking, vs. conforming to doctrine. Letting the state do your thinking for you is hardly an example of the "high-effort" thinking mentioned in the article.
 

toguy5252

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I have. Here are a couple of examples:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?333301-Free-speech-in-Canada-You-must-be-joking

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?287888-Hate-crimes-against-shiksas-and-Nazis&highlight=

Indeed, in the second thread, you were one of the guys who argued in favour of state censorship. :biggrin1:

It`s not a straw man at all. The thread is about which political people favour bold and creative thinking, vs. conforming to doctrine. Letting the state do your thinking for you is hardly an example of the "high-effort" thinking mentioned in the article.
LOL. I agree with you with respect to Human Rights Tribunals etc. and I do not defend them. Hate speech is an entirely different class of speech in the same way as the cliche about yelling fire in a crowded theater. People should not be prosecuted for hating and anyone is free to do so. Very different then speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group.

Conservatives are typically all about making broad generalizations and attempting to apply general and iron clad principals to disparate facts without and critical thought or trying to distinguish the grey shades form the black and white.

i applaud you for using the phrase "bold and creative thinking" in talking about conservatives without laughing although I suspect you probably are.
 

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LOL. I agree with you with respect to Human Rights Tribunals etc. and I do not defend them. Hate speech is an entirely different class of speech in the same way as the cliche about yelling fire in a crowded theater. People should not be prosecuted for hating and anyone is free to do so. Very different then speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group.
I was with you until the last sentence. Prosecuting people for "speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group" is still censorship, regardless of whether or not you think it's well intentioned.

I'll go back to my earlier example. According to some members of the Barbara Hall crowd (I'm assuming it's OK for me to refer to the former NDP mayor as a 'leftie'), "Islamophobia" is a form of "speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group." Using that definition, it could be argued Jenn's review of The Stoning of Soraya M is a hate crime. Surely, you don't want to see Jenn prosecuted, do you?

Use whatever language you like -- "promoting hatred", whatever -- it's still state censorship.

I really don't get how support for state censorship is consistent with a belief in "high-effort" thinking. Quite likely, it isn't.
 

toguy5252

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I was with you until the last sentence. Prosecuting people for "speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group" is still censorship, regardless of whether or not you think it's well intentioned.

I'll go back to my earlier example. According to some members of the Barbara Hall crowd (I'm assuming it's OK for me to refer to the former NDP mayor as a 'leftie'), "Islamophobia" is a form of "speech which is intended to promote hatred of a group." Using that definition, it could be argued Jenn's review of The Stoning of Soraya M is a hate crime. Surely, you don't want to see Jenn prosecuted, do you?

Use whatever language you like -- "promoting hatred", whatever -- it's still state censorship.

I really don't get how support for state censorship is consistent with a belief in "high-effort" thinking. Quite likely, it isn't.
Mischaracterizing my statements does not demonstrate any support for state censorship and I said no such thing. Simply saying things that are hateful etc is not an offense amd i certainly do not advocate making it one. There is a very very high standard which must be met and rightly so. To suggest that there can never be language which transcends freedom and becomes actionable is simply naive. You are not using that bold and creative thinking of yours but again simply painting the world as black and white. It is not.
 

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i find the the people on the right who are intelligent tend to be very angry and hostile
 

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Scientist with an agenda is such an obvious bromine.

Yet no-one points at the current conservative government as they continue to shut down scientific oversight that isn't favorable to their ideological goals.
 

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Scientist with an agenda is such an obvious bromine.

Yet no-one points at the current conservative government as they continue to shut down scientific oversight that isn't favorable to their ideological goals.
Up they really care about us, fewer border guards, fewer food scientist and inspectors, fewer avalanche and SAR stations, but they want to build more prisons to guard those career criminals.
 

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haha - more than anything I worry I'm offending people left right and center when I post on certain topics :p

ps If I offend anyone forgive me - I get a bit nuts with political stuff - I know how to keep my mouth shut lol
I dunno. I find it sexy when people use their brains and you can have animated discussions/arguments that aren't personal. (not to mention sexy instomatic crotch shots, sigh)
Maybe I'll have to book a session to discuss the matter while you work me over....
 
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