Big thought for the day

[Yoga Face]

There is nothing in the law of physics that says the time arrow and the entropy arrow must flow in the same direction that we are used to

By this I mean things become more disordered with time IE a house will eventually collapse but will never rebuild itself

Hawkings considers it a great mystery why time does not "flow backwards" other than to speculate that simply is the only way a universe can exist

Indeed, according to the law of chaos time can indeed flow back wards (a broken cup repair itself) although it is highly unlikely to do so it is not impossible

If the universe ends with a big crunch time may start flowing back wards

 

[69Shooter]

^^^ +1

 

[rafterman]

I'm a time traveller from the future. There's a few of us around.

 

[Timbit]

I think that's why when you pay for an hour with an escort, you usually only get 50 minutes - the other 10 have flowed backwards...

It's all relative.

Timbit

 

[kid_kuh]

how do we know time is not flowing backwards not forwards as we speak?

 

[sasemohan123]

how do we know time is not flowing backwards not forwards as we speak?

!sdrawkcab yllaer seog eniM .t'nseod srouY ?????

 

[Dong Joe]

Indeed, according to the law of chaos time can indeed flow back wards (a broken cup repair itself) although it is highly unlikely to do so it is not impossible

Actually, according to the second law of thermodynamics, broken cups *cannot* repair themselves. S=0

"If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." —Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

 

[afterhours]

I think that's why when you pay for an hour with an escort, you usually only get 50 minutes - the other 10 have flowed backwards...

It's all relative.

Timbit

) that is so true

 

[rld]

Actually, according to the second law of thermodynamics, broken cups *cannot* repair themselves. S=0

"If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." —Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

One must be careful in how one thinks about the second law of thermodynamics. It only applies in closed physical systems, and we don't know if the cup is in a closed physical system etc.

A number of years ago, a very successful Christian book (The Road Less Travelled IIRC) argued that the second law of thermodynamics meant that evolution could not take place in the way science described. Of course it missed the small detail that earth is not a closed system and that we receive energy from the sun.

Besides that I have no clue what this "law of chaos" that Yoga Face is talking about is.

 

[Yoga Face]

Actually, according to the second law of thermodynamics, broken cups *cannot* repair themselves. S=0

"If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." —Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

Eddington came before the chaos and fractal theories of mathematics

We no longer live in a Newtonian or mechanical universe where things go forward in a predictable manner

One of the great proponents of this was Touring just before he committed suicide for being outed as a gay

We live in a universe of chaos and out of chaos comes a new order

This chaos allows life to be created and therefore is called the God or Mandelbrot equation

 

[afterhours]

Besides that I have no clue what this "law of chaos" that Yoga Face is talking about is.

I'd venture a guess that it means "every isolated system tends to go to shit i.e. the entropy of an isolated system always increases"

 

[Yoga Face]

I'd venture a guess that it means "every isolated system tends to go to shit i.e. the entropy of an isolated system always increases"

It means that what is going to happen next is unpredictable and time may flow backwards

 

[Yoga Face]

This is fractal geometry

No matter how close you look patterns repeat indefinitely

 

[Yoga Face]

bullshit chaos theory

 

[Yoga Face]

Real chaos theory

 

[buttercup]

Actually, according to the second law of thermodynamics, broken cups *cannot* repair themselves. S=0

"If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." —Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

The 2nd law says that heat cant pass from the cooler to the hotter. (You can try it if you like, but ya'd far better notta -- to quote the song.)

It follows from 2LoT that, if you have a difference in temperature between hot and cold in a system, that difference will, sooner or later, dissipate down to nothing. If you keep adding more heat to the system, of course the temperature difference can then be maintained or increased. But if you don't add any more heat (or other energy), the whole system will eventually be at the same temperature.

You can only extract energy from a body if the body is hotter than you.

 

[rld]

It means that what is going to happen next is unpredictable and time may flow backwards

So let's be clear, you suggest there is a "law of chaos" that is something more than the second law of thermodynamics?

Does not the fact that your "law" dictates that entropy increases means that what will happen next is directed, not merely predicted?

And doesn't the theory mean that if time does flow backwards the "law of chaos" will no longer be true?

 

[Yoga Face]

So let's be clear, you suggest there is a "law of chaos" that is something more than the second law of thermodynamics?

Does not the fact that your "law" dictates that entropy increases means that what will happen next is directed, not merely predicted?

And doesn't the theory mean that if time does flow backwards the "law of chaos" will no longer be true?

It means the law of entropy can be broken, though highly unlikely, because we can never know all the variables nor the starting conditions

If time flows back wards by some astronomically, yet possible, chance I see no reason the theory of chaos would be eliminated indeed it would be verified

Out of this chaos new order is formed which it was thought was Gods job but now there is no more need for a God

so it is not chaos in the strict sense of the word

 

[roblestone]

My limited understanding is that as long as the universe is expanding time goes forward, if it stops expanding time would stop, if it contracts time would go in reverse. I'm sure Kilgor Trout could have explained it better.

 

[djk]

bullshit chaos theory

Yoga, when Jurassic Park was being filmed, Jeff Goldblum was big into the PUA scene.

He worked his original max attraction f-close kino technique into the film, total improv.