The SHAMELESS president

[kratz]

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/03/19/president-obama-visit-oil-field/

the political stunts and marketing bs out of this White House are breathtaking. History will look back at this period with tremendous judgement on the gullibility and pure cynicism of the Democrat party.

 

[toguy5252]

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/03/19/president-obama-visit-oil-field/

the political stunts and marketing bs out of this White House are breathtaking. History will look back at this period with tremendous judgement on the gullibility and pure cynicism of the Democrat party.

Not sure if anyone mentioned it to you but Obama is a politician.

Do you think that his campaigning is more cynical that the GOP candidates promising $2.50 a gallon gas if elected which is an impossibility and which i would not characterize as campaign rhetoric but an absolute lie which I can pretty much guarantee you that they all know is a lie.

 

[kratz]

yes Obama is nothing but a politician, he seems to know nothing but campaigning and has outsourced any governance

the answer to your second "point", i guess is best way to characterize it is I DONt KNOW... i do believe that the US government is nOT trying to bring down the price of gas. There is NO actual activity to support the case that they are... there is PLENTY of evidence to show that they are not doing everything they can to find more resources and put them into production

IF i was convinced that the USG was seriously trying to find and develop more resources... then i wouldn't view this cynically

Not sure if anyone mentioned it to you but Obama is a politician.

Do you think that his campaigning is more cynical that the GOP candidates promising $2.50 a gallon gas if elected which is an impossibility and which i would not characterize as campaign rhetoric but an absolute lie which I can pretty much guarantee you that they all know is a lie.

 

[toguy5252]

yes Obama is nothing but a politician, he seems to know nothing but campaigning and has outsourced any governance

the answer to your second "point", i guess is best way to characterize it is I DONt KNOW... i do believe that the US government is nOT trying to bring down the price of gas. There is NO actual activity to support the case that they are... there is PLENTY of evidence to show that they are not doing everything they can to find more resources and put them into production

IF i was convinced that the USG was seriously trying to find and develop more resources... then i wouldn't view this cynically

I have no idea what that means that he has "outsourced government". Whether you agree with him or not there is no doubt that in the face of a GOP controlled house which is committed to blocking virtually everything he has manged to pass a lot legislation.

Just wondering why you"don't know" about the viability of the $2.50/gallon gas claim when you seem to be so sure about most everything else. Why don't you try to find some credible economist or some knowledgeable oil industry person who agrees that the price of gas is not determined by the world market. As it happens the US is producing a record amount of oil and it has not changed the world price by 1 cent.

 

[groggy]

US gas and oil had a temporary burst due to fracking natural gas. But those fields are depleting way faster then they thought and this boom will go bust relatively quickly, what with concerns over water contamination and earthquakes.

 

[rld]

yes Obama is nothing but a politician, he seems to know nothing but campaigning and has outsourced any governance

the answer to your second "point", i guess is best way to characterize it is I DONt KNOW... i do believe that the US government is nOT trying to bring down the price of gas. There is NO actual activity to support the case that they are... there is PLENTY of evidence to show that they are not doing everything they can to find more resources and put them into production

IF i was convinced that the USG was seriously trying to find and develop more resources... then i wouldn't view this cynically

So you are suggesting that the US government influence the market price for oil? What happened to your free market streak? Or do you only like "the market" when it is convenient?

 

[kratz]

i am suggesting that the US govt do everything it can to increase the SUPPLY , yes. When prices are high, like they are, they should do all they can to increase supply, no?

 

[kratz]

a lot of what I read says that the US does not unleash the exploration side of the oils and gas business. SO i believe that if that work was to be done, the results would likely be a lot more oil found and the market would recognize that and drop prices. So the supply side is being artificially constrained. The US can impact the global market by adding supply or reserves or potential reserves at the margin.

Obama outsourced Obamacare to Pelosi and Podesta (Soros) read the books that have been written on Obamas regime. Even Dem books (was it Suskind??) say this... and if you read the press Obama has done nothing to build up any personal relationships w any GOP, or his own Cabinet for that matter. So his whining about obstructionism is bullshit.

of course everyone here will say but Sen McConnell said he wanted to make Obama a 1 term President ( well of course he does) .... and the Repubs are cheering the economy down ( I find that argument very despicable and not true, paul Ryan has stuck his neck out to try and lead the country )

I have no idea what that means that he has "outsourced government". Whether you agree with him or not there is no doubt that in the face of a GOP controlled house which is committed to blocking virtually everything he has manged to pass a lot legislation.

Just wondering why you"don't know" about the viability of the $2.50/gallon gas claim when you seem to be so sure about most everything else. Why don't you try to find some credible economist or some knowledgeable oil industry person who agrees that the price of gas is not determined by the world market. As it happens the US is producing a record amount of oil and it has not changed the world price by 1 cent.

 

[rld]

a lot of what I read says that the US does not unleash the exploration side of the oils and gas business. SO i believe that if that work was to be done, the results would likely be a lot more oil found and the market would recognize that and drop prices. So the supply side is being artificially constrained. The US can impact the global market by adding supply or reserves or potential reserves at the margin.

Obama outsourced Obamacare to Pelosi and Podesta (Soros) read the books that have been written on Obamas regime. Even Dem books (was it Suskind??) say this... and if you read the press Obama has done nothing to build up any personal relationships w any GOP, or his own Cabinet for that matter. So his whining about obstructionism is bullshit.

of course everyone here will say but Sen McConnell said he wanted to make Obama a 1 term President ( well of course he does) .... and the Repubs are cheering the economy down ( I find that argument very despicable and not true, paul Ryan has stuck his neck out to try and lead the country )

Check the voting record in the senate and congress before you dismiss complaints about Repub obstructionism. But why let facts get in the way of a good hate?

 

[toguy5252]

Check the voting record in the senate and congress before you dismiss complaints about Repub obstructionism. But why let facts get in the way of a good hate?

LOL. All you have to do is check the statements made by McConnell and Boehner and others. They have made no secret of their intentions.

 

[toguy5252]

i am suggesting that the US govt do everything it can to increase the SUPPLY , yes. When prices are high, like they are, they should do all they can to increase supply, no?

Do you really think that even if he were to greenlight every project today that oil would flow tomorrow or there would be an effect on gas prices today. Look at the numbers and the proven and estimated reserves and refining capacity. The claims of the GOP are simply dishonest and they know it.

 

[kratz]

Progressives and environmentalists have been floating this canard for 30 years so the answer is NO, not tomorrow BUT if this would have started years ago and the drilling would keep top w the technology we would be in a much better position because we would have a more real-time estimate of the available resource

The claims are NOT dishonest... markets look forward and anticipate FUTURE drivers , like a massive future influx of supply

Do you really think that even if he were to greenlight every project today that oil would flow tomorrow or there would be an effect on gas prices today. Look at the numbers and the proven and estimated reserves and refining capacity. The claims of the GOP are simply dishonest and they know it.

 

[toguy5252]

Progressives and environmentalists have been floating this canard for 30 years so the answer is NO, not tomorrow BUT if this would have started years ago and the drilling would keep top w the technology we would be in a much better position because we would have a more real-time estimate of the available resource

The claims are NOT dishonest... markets look forward and anticipate FUTURE drivers , like a massive future influx of supply

You have obviously not made any effort to look at the actual number in terms of reserves etc. You would rather rely on cliches. What did Bush do during his eight years when he was confronted with what was at the time record gas prices.

 

[kratz]

what "actual number"... these ???? http://directorblue.blogspot.ca/2011/03/americas-combined-energy-resources-are.html // as you can see there is some "discussion" on what the actual number is . So you see I HAVE made an effort to discover what the "actual" number is ... have you?

what did bush do? who gives a fuck we are talking about today. i can say that to this day people mock Sarah Palins "drill baby drill" and Newt's $250 plan which has an actual 30 minuet video out there discussing an actually plan

You have obviously not made any effort to look at the actual number in terms of reserves etc. You would rather rely on cliches. What did Bush do during his eight years when he was confronted with what was at the time record gas prices.

 

[Asterix]

what "actual number"... these ???? http://directorblue.blogspot.ca/2011/03/americas-combined-energy-resources-are.html // as you can see there is some "discussion" on what the actual number is . So you see I HAVE made an effort to discover what the "actual" number is ... have you?

what did bush do? who gives a fuck we are talking about today. i can say that to this day people mock Sarah Palins "drill baby drill" and Newt's $250 plan which has an actual 30 minuet video out there discussing an actually plan

For some reason you can't get it through your thick skull that gas prices are determined by the world market. The US produces a small amount of the world's oil supply. You could pretend we could double that, and we still wouldn't produce eough to do more than barely make a dent in the world price. People seem to think that this is "our" oil. It's not, unless you want to nationalize the oil companies. Oil companies operating in the US will follow the world market regardless of where the oil came from.

Why don't you explain Newt's plan since you seem to be so fond of it? In you own words if at all possible.

 

[kratz]

the US is the market leader and can influence supply and TONE of the market .... i understand the market structure perfectly Asterix. I also know a fair bit about speculation and the nature of "carry trades" / trend lines .... You keep making my case without realizing it. When you say the US produces a small amount of the worlds oil supply TODAY, THAT is a major reason why prices are HIGH TODAY because they produce a small amount. They can do a lot more .... or at least give the perception that they will .

Oil companies too have an incentive to keep prices high, but since the resources are GRANTED by the government in return for royalties and other payments they can dictate the terms and conditions under which oil companies can explore and produce and refine and transport the resources. They can put fast triggers on the leases they offer so oil co's can't sit on exploration zones .. lots of things to do to add supply.

Newts plan is to explore everywhere for oil, refine more, produce more... IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE TONE OF THE GLOBAL MARKETS VIEW OF THE USA FROM A COUNTRY THAT WONT EXPLORE FOR ITS OWN OIL TO A COUNTRY THAT WILL ....... because he believes there is a HUGE underlying supply available, just like there is now being proven to be a lot more in nat gas which has dropped the price of natgas by 75% (w an 11% increase in actual production) So markets aren't linear .... they respond differently depending on the underlying fundamentals and technicals ....

 

[fuji]

The US is not the market leader.

 

[fuji]

because he believes there is a HUGE underlying supply available

Does he also believe in Gunga Din?

 

[kratz]

not in production but in demand; in tone, in financial speculation, and according to some charts previously posted in RESERVES

The US is not the market leader.

 

[fuji]

not in production but in demand; in tone, in financial speculation, and according to some charts previously posted in RESERVES

In other words, not the market leader.