The Mormon Theocracy of Utah: Abstinence-only sex ed bill passes Utah Senate

[canada-man]

A bill that would require Utah educators to refrain from the discussion of contraceptives in sex ed passed the Utah Senate Tuesday afternoon.

House Bill 363 passed with a vote of 19-10.

After the new bill goes into effect, the teaching of sex education in Utah classrooms has to be about not having sex before marriage and fidelity within marriage. Teachers cannot advocate the use of contraceptives anymore and they cannot talk about homosexuality, even if asked by a student.

HB 363 would also allow any Utah school to opt out of sex education and would ban students from talking to their teachers about pre-marital sex.

“My problem is that we’re having essentially complete strangers teaching our children, who frankly we don’t know who they are and exactly what they’re teaching, with the most sensitive issues that do belong in the home,” said one Republican Senator during Tuesday’s floor debate.

Opponents of the bill, most of them Senate Democrats, say HB 363 is out of touch with reality.

“We talked about all the time about how government is intruding on peoples lives, and this bill will now take that option away from parents,” Robles said while calling the piece of legislation “contradictory.”

The current statute allows Utah schools to teach abstinence-based or abstinence-only curriculum. Parents can opt-in their son or daughter for sex education classes. But with the new bill, this option is no longer.

The bill now heads to the governor’s desk where he can either sign it into law or veto it.

http://fox13now.com/2012/03/06/abstinance-only-sex-ed-bill-passes-utah-senate/

 

[Babypowder]

what an ignorant bunch

 

[Aardvark154]

The Mormon Theocracy of Utah

Pecular I was under the impression that the LDS Church had taken no position at all on this legislation.

Therefore seemingly what you are objecting to is that those in the Utah Legislature have different values from you and you don't like that fact.

I can only presume that the above is the case, since if your argument was that the law would be ineffective or other such points you would have pointed that out rather than wandering off as to Utah being a Mormon Theocracy.

 

[bobistheowl]

At Brigham Young University, students have to sign a pledge stating that they will refrain from premarital sex. Last year Brandon Davies, the top big man on the BYU Cougars basketball team, was dismissed from the team just prior to the NCAA Tournament for breaching the 'Honor Code' in this manner.

Oh, and the LDS Church prohibits oral sex, even when the couple is married.

 

[blackrock13]

At Brigham Young University, students have to sign a pledge stating that they will refrain from premarital sex. Last year Brandon Davies, the top big man on the BYU Cougars basketball team, was dismissed from the team just prior to the NCAA Tournament for breaching the 'Honor Code' in this manner.

Oh, and the LDS Church prohibits oral sex, even when the couple is married.

and so.........

 

[johnhenrygalt]

At Brigham Young University, students have to sign a pledge stating that they will refrain from premarital sex. Last year Brandon Davies, the top big man on the BYU Cougars basketball team, was dismissed from the team just prior to the NCAA Tournament for breaching the 'Honor Code' in this manner.

Oh, and the LDS Church prohibits oral sex, even when the couple is married.

No adult is forced to be a mormon; and no one is forced to attend BYU.

 

[Samurai Joey]

No adult is forced to be a mormon; and no one is forced to attend BYU.

That may be the case for students BYU, but children attending public schools in Utah and their parents (including those from non-Mormon families, who predominantly live in Salt Lake City -- from Wikipedia, less than 50% of the population in the city are currently practicing Mormon, and the city is or was considered one of the top 51 gay-friendly places to live in the US) will no longer have the option of learning about contraception or homosexuality.

Personally, I agree with the state's Democratic opponents of the bill and feel that this legislation intrudes excessively into the lives of Utah's families and their ability to have their children taught about contraception. Frankly, it's a major step backwards in the society of the state.

 

[Aardvark154]

children attending public schools in Utah and their parents (including those from non-Mormon families, who predominantly live in Salt Lake City -- from Wikipedia, less than 50% of the population in the city are currently practicing Mormon, and the city is or was considered one of the top 51 gay-friendly places to live in the US) will no longer have the option of learning about contraception or homosexuality.

Personally, I agree with the state's Democratic opponents of the bill and feel that this legislation intrudes excessively into the lives of Utah's families and their ability to have their children taught about contraception. Frankly, it's a major step backwards in the society of the state.

And I largely agree with you.

What you post, however, was not the tack C-M chose to take, rather he chose Mormons in the Utah Legislature are taking their orders from Temple Square, and by the way the electorate didn't know they were Mormons.

 

[canada-man]

And I largely agree with you.

What you post, however, was not the tack C-M chose to take, rather he chose Mormons in the Utah Legislature are taking their orders from Temple Square, and by the way the electorate didn't know they were Mormons.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0104.mencimer.html

Utah is dominated by mormon politics

 

[Aardvark154]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0104.mencimer.html

Starting with the very first paragrah - since Salt Lake City was laid out by the Mormon Leadership. . . .and they owned the whole place, kind of hard to argue that they are now making a land grab.

Utah is dominated by mormon [sic] politics

Big Whoopee. That's like saying that Episcopalians/Anglicans have an outsized influence in Virginia, South Carolina, the Maritimes and Southern Ontario. Or that Friends have an outsize influence in Southeastern Pennsyvania, or Congregationalists (United Church of Christ) in New England, Southern Baptists in much of the interior U.S. South and Texas.

 

[bobistheowl]

I don't think children should learn about homosexuality in schools. They should learn about homosexuality in the back of a van, where the stranger said the box of puppies was.

 

[blackrock13]

I don't think children should learn about homosexuality in schools. They should learn about homosexuality in the back of a van, where the stranger said the box of puppies was.

WTF, flashback?

 

[Aardvark154]

I don't think children should learn about homosexuality in schools. They should learn about homosexuality in the back of a van, where the stranger said the box of puppies was.

I know you are "being humorous" but that's about as funny as any other joke about sex crimes.

 

[bobistheowl]

I know you are "being humorous" but that's about as funny as any other joke about sex crimes.

"Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear & shall not understand, & another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more & of the outsiders' incomprehension."

My post wasn't meant to find humour in child abuse. Part of the purpose of education should be to make the students street smart as well as book smart. Pretending that homosexuality, and other 'unpleasantries' like premarital sex don't exist doesn't make them go away. If kids don't learn things in school, they learn them from each other, or from TV, movies, books, music, the Internet, or, as in my joke, the school of hard knocks. Ideally this is the job of the parent, but it's more convenient to blame a third party than to accept responsibility.

btw, the irony quote was for blackrock.

~bito

 

[blackrock13]

"Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear & shall not understand, & another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more & of the outsiders' incomprehension."

My post wasn't meant to find humour in child abuse. Part of the purpose of education should be to make the students street smart as well as book smart. Pretending that homosexuality, and other 'unpleasantries' like premarital sex don't exist doesn't make them go away. If kids don't learn things in school, they learn them from each other, or from TV, movies, books, music, the Internet, or, as in my joke, the school of hard knocks. Ideally this is the job of the parent, but it's more convenient to blame a third party than to accept responsibility.

btw, the irony quote was for blackrock.

~bito

Now that's more like it. As for your quote, not your words I'm sure, unless you're Henry Fowler, but in my book what you posted really doesn't come close to irony, so it was a waste of a good quote.

As for what you posted, the wack job in the back of the van isn't always a homosexual, but definitely needs help big time.

 

[The_Longest_Name_On_TERB_ever]

What would Louis CK say about this? He is my mentor and leader.

 

[blackrock13]

What would Louis CK say about this? He is my mentor and leader.

Hmmmmm, anyone want to make a guess what TLNOTE's handle was in a previous life?

 

[johnhenrygalt]

but children attending public schools in Utah and their parents (including those from non-Mormon families, who predominantly live in Salt Lake City -- from Wikipedia, less than 50% of the population in the city are currently practicing Mormon, and the city is or was considered one of the top 51 gay-friendly places to live in the US) will no longer have the option of learning about contraception or homosexuality.

There's no law in Utah forbidding children to learn things outside of school. There's no law forbidding parents from teaching their children.

 

[seewhatigot449]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0104.mencimer.html

Utah is dominated by mormon politics

You would be shoked to learn of the places in the states dominated by such.

 

[blackrock13]

You would be shoked to learn of the places in the states dominated by such.

So don't leave us handing, tell us what they are and shock us.