Iran cleaning up nuclear work, satelite photos show.

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Anyone suprised..? Didn't think so...

Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The assertions from the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency, could add to the growing international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program, which Tehran insists is for peaceful purposes.
While the United States and the European Union are backing a sanctions-heavy approach, Israel has warned that it may resort to a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities to prevent it from obtaining atomic weapons.

Two of the diplomats said the crews at the Parchin military site may be trying to erase evidence of tests of a small experimental neutron device used to set off a nuclear explosion. A third diplomat could not confirm that, but said any attempt to trigger a so-called neutron initiator could only be in the context of trying to develop nuclear arms.

The diplomats said they suspect attempts at sanitization because some of the vehicles at the scene appeared to be haulage trucks and other equipment suited to carting off potentially contaminated soil from the site.

The images, provided by member countries to the IAEA, the United Nations’s nuclear watchdog, are recent and constantly updated, one of the diplomats said. The diplomats all asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

The IAEA has already identified Parchin as the location of suspected nuclear-weapons-related testing. In a November report, it said it appeared to be the site of experiments with conventional high explosives meant to initiate a nuclear chain reaction.

It did not mention a neutron initiator as part of those tests, but in a separate section cited an unnamed member nation as saying Iran may have experimented with a neutron initiator, without going into detail or naming a location for such work.

In contrast, the intelligence information shared with the AP by the two diplomats linked the high-explosives work directly to setting off a neutron initiator at Parchin.

In explaining such a device, the agency's November report said that “if placed in the centre of a nuclear core of an implosion-type nuclear device and compressed, [it] could produce a burst of neutrons suitable for initiating a fission chain reaction.”

If Iran did try to trigger a neutron initiator, it would harden international suspicions by adding a nuclear component to a suspected string of experiments linked to weapons development that generally have not included radioactive material.

Iran has previously attempted to clean up sites considered suspicious by world powers worried about Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

Iran razed the Lavizan Shian complex in northern Iran before allowing IAEA inspectors to visit the suspected repository of military-procured equipment that could be used in a nuclear-weapons program. Tehran said the site had been demolished to make way for a park, but inspectors who subsequently came to the site five years ago found traces of uranium enriched to or near the level used in making the core of nuclear warheads.

The Iranians also embarked on an extensive redo at the Kalay-e Electric Co., just west of Tehran, before agency inspectors were given access nine years ago. Although the site was repainted and otherwise sanitized, samples taken from Kalay-e also showed traces of enriched uranium, though at levels substantially below warhead grade.

One official from an IAEA member country with good intelligence on Iran said the Parchin neutron-initiator experiments were conducted between 2003 and 2010. Another said any such tests were closer to 2003, adding it was not clear whether they were successful.

The timing is important.U.S. intelligence officials say they generally stand by a 2007 intelligence assessment that asserts Iran stopped comprehensive secret work on developing nuclear arms in 2003. But Britain, France, Germany, Israel and other U.S. allies think such activities have continued past that date, a view shared by the IAEA, which says in recent reports that some isolated and sporadic activities may be ongoing.

Iran vehemently denies allegations that it conducted any research and development into atomic weapons and says the totality of its nuclear activities are meant purely to generate power or for research.

Asked for comment, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's chief delegate to the IAEA, told the AP he would not discuss any nuclear issues until after he delivered his statement to the agency's 35-nation board meeting Thursday. IAEA officials also said they could not comment.

Attention most recently focused on Parchin several days ago, when senior IAEA officials first spoke of unexplained activities at the site without saying what they could be and said an inspection of buildings there was taking on added urgency.

One of six diplomats who spoke with the AP said his country continued to reserve judgment on what the movements at the site meant but two others who had seen recent spy-satellite imagery said the trucks and other equipment at the site almost certainly showed attempts to clean it of radioactive contamination.

They declined to go into detail but said radioactive traces could also be left by material other than a neutron initiator, such as uranium metal that can be used as a substitute for testing purposes.

IAEA expert teams trying to probe the suspicions of secret weapons work by Iran tried – and failed – twice in recent weeks to get Iranian permission to visit Parchin. Tehran then said on Monday that such a visit would be granted.

But it said that a comprehensive agreement outlining conditions of such an inspection must first be agreed on – a move dismissed by a senior international official familiar with the issue as a delaying tactic. He, too, asked not to be identified because the matter was sensitive.

The diplomats and officials spoke ahead of a meeting of the IAEA board Thursday focusing on Iran's defiance of UN Security Council demands to end uranium enrichment – which can make both nuclear fuel and fissile warhead material – and dispel other suspicions that it may be seeking nuclear weapons.

That session was to take place Wednesday but had to be adjourned to give six world powers time to find common ground on how harshly to criticize Iran. They agreed on a text late Wednesday but only after marathon negotiations reflecting the difficulty of presenting a united front at upcoming talks with Iran.

Officials did not detail the text agreed upon, but the United States, Britain, France and Germany wanted a joint statement that takes Iran to task for defying Security Council resolutions demanding it end uranium enrichment and co-operate with an IAEA probe of suspicions it secretly worked on nuclear arms.

A senior Western diplomat, however, told the AP that Russia and China, which have condemned Western sanctions on Iran as counterproductive, sought more moderate language. He also asked for anonymity to discuss confidential matters.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...lear-work-diplomats-say/article2361891/page2/
 

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If nuclear material was worked on at the site, they'll be able to read traces afterwords.
The point is Iran is in talks to allow inspections.
 

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Shows they've been lying all these years, clearly can't be trusted. They've been in and out of talks for years...bull shiting. Instead of supporting democracy you support a barbarian government with a horrible track record, why don't you move to Iran? A government that kills their own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCGuJ1PVK70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qmNuZgyWjI
Yup, that's a bad government that does evil things to people. So if I link you to a video of similarly evil goings on in Israel, will you also condemn it or claim that its ok?
 

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If nuclear material was worked on at the site, they'll be able to read traces afterwords.
The point is Iran is in talks to allow inspections.
So if the contaminated materials including soil are removed they are going to read traces off of exactly what?

And one of the reasons they want to inspect that site is they believe nuclear HE triggers were being developed there...which would not leave a radioactive finger print at all.
 

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So if the contaminated materials including soil are removed they are going to read traces off of exactly what?

And one of the reasons they want to inspect that site is they believe nuclear HE triggers were being developed there...which would not leave a radioactive finger print at all.
Once again, to put it in perspective.
They want to inspect Parchin based of the allegations found in the 'laptop of death' in 2000, but they already inspected the site in 2005, its only this new idiot running the IAEA that wants to go back there again.

Do you think they'll find anything more this time?
 

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allegations found in the 'laptop of death' in 2000
So what? They should be able to inspect anywhere they want, any time, for any reasons. That is what is required by the UN Security Council Resolutions.

Oh yeah I forgot--you hate the UN and think it's a useless organization whose official binding pronouncements should be ignored. Let me never hear you cite the UN again!
 

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble yet again, but:

Paul Brannan, a senior analyst at the Institute for Science and International Security, a private group in Washington that tracks nuclear proliferation, said he had looked at many images but so far had not found the specific site or signs of any cleanup activity. But he added that the massive scale of development at Parchin made the problem quite challenging. “There’s no way to know whether or not the activity you see in a particular satellite image is cleansing or just regular work,” he said. “They build a lot of stuff. There’s a lot of activity there — always.”
 

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Paul Brannan, a senior analyst at the Institute for Science and International Security, a private group in Washington that tracks nuclear proliferation, said he had looked at many images but so far had not found the specific site or signs of any cleanup activity.
However, what do the Imagery Analysis folks have to say - and needless to say they aren't talking to the press.
 

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However, what do the Imagery Analysis folks have to say - and needless to say they aren't talking to the press.
Well, they aren't talking to me directly, either, so I'd have to take a (somewhat) educated guess that they're saying roughly the same thing. I'd base that on what their ultimate boss is saying to the press and to Israeli PM Netanyahu.
I think this links back nicely to the RQ-170 drone scenario from a few months back..........the USG pretty much 'fessed up that there was an aerial surveillance program over Iran, and the drones could provide real-time videos & imagery superior to that provided by a satellite (I recall that being discussed in the thread re: the drone).
There MAY have been neutron-initiator testing conducted at Parchin a few years back (actually, highly probable that it was), but theres been no evidence of any such recent testing having been uncovered yet............hauling away dirt wouldn't be sufficient to conceal a test that was recently done, as there'd be other indicators. Such an indicator would probably be one of the "red-lines" that Israel & the US are trying to sort out. The intelligence and the evidence just doesn't sufficiently support the current accusations, IMO.
Then again, even the best analysts have been known to not always bat 1000.
 

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This is wrong: "There’s no way to know whether or not the activity you see in a particular satellite image is cleansing or just regular work"

Yes there is--you go there in person and check it out.
 

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Once again, to put it in perspective.
They want to inspect Parchin based of the allegations found in the 'laptop of death' in 2000, but they already inspected the site in 2005, its only this new idiot running the IAEA that wants to go back there again.

Do you think they'll find anything more this time?
Now let's get our facts straight. In 2005 they wanted to inspect Parchin, and they were allowed to inspect one quarter of the site. I wonder what was in the other three quarters?

I wonder how many people will have to die before the Ayatollahs stop playing these games?
 

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Now let's get our facts straight. In 2005 they wanted to inspect Parchin, and they were allowed to inspect one quarter of the site. I wonder what was in the other three quarters?

I wonder how many people will have to die before the Ayatollahs stop playing these games?
Why are you arguing with him? He has intelligence (you may now stop laughing and continue) which the IAEA, CIA and the intelligence agencies of the UK, France and many other intelligence agencies etc are not privy to. Whew. I am just glad he is on our side.
 

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Now let's get our facts straight. In 2005 they wanted to inspect Parchin, and they were allowed to inspect one quarter of the site. I wonder what was in the other three quarters?

I wonder how many people will have to die before the Ayatollahs stop playing these games?
And how many have died so far in this nuclear 'game'?
Shall we start with the 5 assassinated scientists?
Are there any other casualties directly tied to Iran's nuclear programme?
 

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble yet again, but:
I don't know if that's a bubble burster.

I would assume that the suspected nuclear sites have been under constant satellite surveillance for years. If the report is on increased activity at that site preceding an IAEA visit, there is one obvious conclusion to draw. It is possible that the increased activity is unrelated but considering the continued suspicious nature of Iran's dealings and repeated stonewalling, it is reasonable to be concerned. Iran could easily allow full inspections if they wanted to remove suspicion.
 
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