Aaaach! It's easy when your '.' key is broken. Just sayin'.thank you. thank you. its wasn't easy. writing long sentences takes amazing skill.
Aaaach! It's easy when your '.' key is broken. Just sayin'.thank you. thank you. its wasn't easy. writing long sentences takes amazing skill.
.........Aaaach! It's easy when your '.' key is broken. Just sayin'.
IOI is PUA nonsense that has nothing to do with real life dating. You're imagining that women are frightened little creatures who drift out of your grasp if any little thing goes wrong. Maybe it's relevant to the case of trying to persuade or trick a woman to fuck you when she isn't really sure or only barely interested and might easily change her mind. It's not relevant to finding a girlfriend or a SO.i know ioi's are very important cause if a guy doesn't pick up on it and doesn't initiate things..
ya. i'm starting to think PUA's are full of sh*t."IOI is PUA nonsense that has nothing to do with real life dating. You're imagining that women are frightened little creatures who drift out of your grasp if any little thing goes wrong. Maybe it's relevant to the case of trying to persuade or trick a woman to fuck you when she isn't really sure or only barely interested and might easily change her mind. It's not relevant to finding a girlfriend or a SO.
In real life women are just as interested as men in establishing relationships and finding someone. Men MAYBE want sex more, and earlier, and for less meaningful reasons, but women sure as hell spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get into a relationship. If you appear to be oblivious to her "ioi" and she is interested in you, she will find a way to make it more obvious. Women want the fantasy of men making the first step, but they will do whatever they need to, to get the guy they're interested in to take that step.
The sort of long-term relationship a guy like Partyman is going to start isn't going to be a hookup at the Swiss Chalet one night. It's going to be a slow building, normal sort of thing where "ioi" is not going to be the deciding factor.
I am convinced that most PUA's are unable to form relationships with women and don't know the first thing about how to find a girlfriend or SO, especially because of nonsense like this. It's not how the real world works. You are not going to trick a girl into being your wife. She is going to be your wife for only one reason--she really wants to, on her own, be your wife.
have you seen what Mystery and Neil Strauss looks like? They rely completely on their PUA 'tricks' to get women and totally neglect their physique. Sure, they groom themselves, etc. but they're skinny sticks and haven't been to the gym in years. Even in their book, they never advise that you go to the gym once. I wonder if anyone else noticed that. they don't mention the gym even once in their book. If you find a picture of Neil Strauss and Mystery. you'll see they're the skinniest guys on the face of the earth and haven't set foot in a gym in their entire lives. I could be wrong. but its something I wanted to point out.It's funny, I've read The Game by Neil Strauss, who was one of the first writers to 'infiltrate" this secret society of PUAs, and while it was interesting reading, and it's true that some of these PUAs (including the author) did manage a decent number of one night stands and purely sexual relationships with women who might have not have looked twice at them under other circumstances, one of the biggest things I took away was just how unhappy so many of them were. Even the head guy, "Mystery" I think was his alias, who allegedly scored with many hotties, and came up withe most of the 'playbook' they used, was one of the most unhappy, twisted people in the whole 'society'. At the end of the book, it seemed like the author had gone from admiring him, to pitying him.
Almost all of them had issues far beyond just having issues with women, and were unable to form social relationships with anyone. Even their shared house in California (I think) was a mess, and they couldn't do simple everyday things like hold down jobs, eat healthy, exercise. It was all about 'sarging' (their term for picking up) and the chase, but as time went on, they become bored with the whole thing, and got no pleasure out of it. Yet they couldn't stop. The few of them who did use it as a springboard to actual fulfilling relationships were mocked, and even sabotaged out of jealousy by the other guys. Actually it reminds a bit of the 'hobby' in terms of the people attracted to it, and how it all became part of the hunt and not about the actual sex. So sure, they picked up little tricks, and ways of manipulation that got some girls into bed with them, but in the end not only was the sex meaningless and empty, but it hurt their abilities to interact with the 90% of women who didn't buy their bullshit
random dude on another website said:***** bashes the looks crowd for being focused on a single issue, while at the same time being focused on another single issue, personality. I think focusing on any one thing is ridiculous, but if I had to put money on one thing it would be looks. How do you explain the success of guys like o***e (who is a member here) According to him he never changed his personality, all he did was go from being overweight to having a fitness model body and his success with women went from the basement to through the roof almost overnight. I remember one of his quotes because I think of it everyday, he said "raise your looks to a 7 or above in womens eyes and they will start to treat you differently, I guarantee it". I know the truth of this statement because I have seen it personally. I have a friend who was overweight in high school and never had any success with women. He became addicted, and I do mean addicted, to working out after high school, he's now an amateur bodybuilder and has been in a couple state contests. Believe me, his personality never changed, but he became successful with women once he lost the weight. If he's wearing the right clothes it's obvious he has a lot of muscle and low body fat, his face also looks better because it's leaner. He has the same nice guy personality he always has but he became very successful with women when he got in shape. He's married now but had about a dozen girlfriends before he met his wife. And here's the thing, in every relationship, these women approached him. He's never made the first move.
When I hang out with him I see the reactions he gets from women. They smile as soon as they see him, they lean in when talking to him, they play with their hair and other flirty shit. We were at a restaurant recently and the waitress came to the table to ask how the meal was, she walked up to his side of the table, looked only at him, smiled, and asked in an overly feminine way if he needed anything, he told her he was fine and she told him to call her if there's anything she can do for him, then she walked away without so much as looking at me. The tone of her voice changed when she talked to him, it was more high pitched. He never got this kind of attention when he was overweight, and I assure you he's not a douchebag or bad boy. He plays D&D and is a stereotypical nerd, but he looks like he stepped off the cover of a fitness magazine. His wife has said on several occasions that she was more attracted to him when she found out he was shy and nerdy, because she expected an arrogant nature that would make it hard to develop a close relationship.
I have personally seen someone improve their looks, while keeping the same personality, go from being incel to having the kind of success with women most men dream about.
It doesn't appear to much of a debate with the ladies who have posted in this thread.The age old Looks Vs. Personality Debate rears its ugly head!
Women dont often know what they want...It doesn't appear to much of a debate with the ladies who have posted in this thread.
okay so then the plan is to hold out for a tall white girl who has muslim values?Whatever man.
really because it seems you think the dont want you?!?!? could it be that aside from sperm the modern western woman doesnt need a man for survival? perhaps how women choose dates is changing or becoming more varied?Women dont often know what they want...
How often have I said women DO/DID want me? Do you even read my posts before replying?really because it seems you think the dont want you?!?!? could it be that aside from sperm the modern western woman doesnt need a man for survival? perhaps how women choose dates is changing or becoming more varied?
yeah that tough...would you consider youself a liberal or conservative muslim? like what is the role of the woman to you? or another waydo you think there will be a culture clash.Id rather give up my muslim values for a tall white girl who wants an LTR. But its rather...subconscious, yknow?
I dont know what I am. I dont even know how much I believe of that theory...I was putting it out there.