65 yr old man pushed off bike by teens pulls gun and shoots one dead....

[Prim0]

I don't understand people who side with the instigators? As Rubmeister said, easy way to avoid getting shot...don't go out and push an old guy off his bike then assault him further. Had they chosen to spend their time working, studying, volunteering or just staying home and jacking off, they would have gone through their day without getting shot/killed.

What if they old guy hadn't been armed....what if he'd been a martial arts expert? Would it have been okay with you defenders of the teens if he had turned around and beat the hell out of them? What if he'd beat one of them so bad that he later died? Would you still consider it manslaughter...he was just using the same weapons the teens had.

 

[Keebler Elf]

Isn't that the Canadian way? The retaliation has to fit the crime!

Actually, it's the biblical way.

 

[Keebler Elf]

What if they old guy hadn't been armed....what if he'd been a martial arts expert? Would it have been okay with you defenders of the teens if he had turned around and beat the hell out of them? What if he'd beat one of them so bad that he later died? Would you still consider it manslaughter...he was just using the same weapons the teens had.

And what if the old man was riding down the bike path and barreled into the kids, who then shoved him and he gets up shooting?

 

[fun-guy]

he was just using the same weapons the teens had.

You lost me on this one, are you suggesting the teens had guns as well?

Actually, it's the biblical way.

I hear ya, but I think the state and religion have been separated a long time ago in both US and Canada, although still one and the same in many other countries. Too many religions in US/Canada now and many don't believe in the bible, the judicial system rules today.

 

[avxl1003]

Seriously.. Who brings a gun on a bicycle ride???

 

[alexmst]

The man was released by police after they consulted with District Attorney John Adams late Wednesday, WFMZ reported

Doesn't look like he is going to be charged.

Hey, if three guys knock a senior who is minding his own business off his bike on a nature trail and then start assaulting him with robbery in mind, he is justified in shooting them. A jury wouldn't convict him of manslaughter.

 

[avxl1003]

Same guy who brings a gun to a knife fight.
Maybe the bicycle rider has had altercations like this before.
Or maybe he has to ride through some scary neighborhoods on the way to the park.

The message for young turks who think that there is safety in harassing older people is: "You never know what that crazy old fucker is gonna do back."

I don't know.. The information provided is too vague to condemn the old geezer or congratulate him..

Either way a kid is dead (dip-shit or not).. And that's nothing to brag about.

 

[buttercup]

The message for young turks who think that there is safety in harassing older people is: "You never know what that crazy old fucker is gonna do back."

The young turks who respond with sensible fear of what might happen if you do bad things are not the problem.

The real problem is the young turks who respond by bringing their own guns now, when they go out for some bike-pushing fun.

 

[alexmst]

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It happened in the States, depending on the state, the laws, and if the old guy legally had the right to carry a concealed weapon. He might just get off.

 

[Thunderballs]

Good. Better tried by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[larry]

going from the small amt of info we have, the old man shot a kid who had assaulted him. he didn't kill the kid. he probably couldn't aim that well in the circumstances. he just shot him. the kid happened to die. that's how i see it. pure self-defense.

 

[AllishaMyst]

Seriously.. Who brings a gun on a bicycle ride???

To be honest I would be afraid to be alone in the states in a park without protection of some kind. It is a very dangerous place because andybody can have a gun. If the youths would of killed the man they probably would of got lighter sentences because they can be rehabilitated and if the old man killed them without the laws as they are he would of gotten life or death. It's a crazy world and until things change it will only get worse.

 

[Rockslinger]

Here in Canada the old chap would get serious time for manslaughter....

Hence, my comment about North America. In Canada, they arrest the shopkeeper for apprehending a shoplifter. The U.S. have more laws to protect people who are defending their property and person such as "castle domain" and "open carry".

 

[fuji]

I think it was self defense and I think the guy will probably not even be charged.

On the other hand I disagree with people carrying around guns for self defense. The next bunch of punks who want to beat up an old man will think twice about it--and decide they need to be better armed. In the end while in individual cases like this it may seem like justice is being served (and it sort of is) in the bigger picture it's a society embracing violence, rather than rejecting it, and that is part of a larger problem that has led to a stupendously high murder rate.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Not everybody is 6'6" like you who could fight off 3 teens with one arm tied behind your back. But, you are right self-defense is illegal in North America and the old man will probably spend the rest of his life in jail. Look what happened to Bernard Goetz(sp).

You really should put a little more thought into what you write...Unless as some suspect you just desire responses to your inanities and don't care for the veracity of your postings.

Many jurisdictions allow for self defence, others allow concealed weapons, even in public.

As for Bernhard Goetz, here is a detailed story on the case:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/goetz/goetzaccount.html

Here are some exc
erpts:

District Attorney Gregory Waples told jurors in his opening statement that the evidence will show that Goetz shot one of the teens "in the center of the back as he tried to flee" and that Darrell Cabey was shot and permanently paralyzed while "sitting down in a subway seat,...absolutely helpless and doing absolutely nothing to threaten or menace Bernhard Goetz."

...Concord police advised the NYPD that they had their man and then questioned Goetz for over two hours. In his rambling audiotaped interview, Goetz admitted to firing five bullets in the subway and told investigators that he used dumdum bullets because "you need maximum stopping power."

...Among other incriminating statements, Goetz told detectives that after perceiving a threat, "I decided to kill them after all, murder them all, do anything."


And even after that evidence:

Judge Crane sentenced Goetz to a six month jail term, five years probation, a $5000 fine, 200 hours of community service, and an order that he seek psychiatric help. On appeal, his sentence was changed to one year, with no probation. He served eight months. In 1996, a New York jury awarded Darrell Cabey $43 million in a civil suit he had brought against Goetz for his injuries.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Hence, my comment about North America. In Canada, they arrest the shopkeeper for apprehending a shoplifter. The U.S. have more laws to protect people who are defending their property and person such as "castle domain" and "open carry".

So then, say "Canada", don't say "North America" ... Why do you say self defence is illegal in North America, when obviously it isn't?

 

[wigglee]

"make my day"

 

[Ceiling Cat]

I saw a segment on 20/20 the news program about Yosemite National Park in California. The program was all about how the park rangers had to deal with every sort of crime that happens between campers as you would see in a big city. There were incidents of rape, child molestation, kidnapping, assault, murder, attempted murder, theft, people going into the park to scam other campers. We are lucky to live in Canada, where you never hear of people being assaulted in the woods.

 

[wet_suit_one]

The circumstances are a little different (no knife, but three assailants), but Brown vs. United States 1921 (256 U.S. 335 285) covers what I was speaking of.

Fucking awesome! Someone who actually backs up their position with a citation to an actual case (assuming it's the right one, as I haven't read it yet).

Sweet! You da man of da day just for that! Two thumbs up for the customer!