The 65 year old will get his day in court, he was defending himself from teenage punks. Ever see "Gran Torino" with Clint Eastwood?
65 yr old man pushed off bike by teens pulls gun and shoots one dead....
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FYI...
North America includes Central America and the Caribbean and includes 23 countries and dozens of possesions and territories.
If the kids just knocked him off his bike then I agree, manslaughter.
But if they then proceeded to assault him, I think he had the right to defend himself and if that meant killing one of the assailants (kid or not), so be it.
But if they then proceeded to assault him, I think he had the right to defend himself and if that meant killing one of the assailants (kid or not), so be it.
"According to police, the 65-year-old was riding his bicycle when the teens knocked him to the ground, the station said.
Police said two teens then assaulted the man, who drew his gun and shot them.
Seems that the teens knocked the 65 year old man to the ground and then assaulted him while he was on the ground. This would be seen as a life or death situation for the 65 year old man.
Police said two teens then assaulted the man, who drew his gun and shot them.
Seems that the teens knocked the 65 year old man to the ground and then assaulted him while he was on the ground. This would be seen as a life or death situation for the 65 year old man.
Goetz was found not guilty of all charges laid against him except for possession of an unlicensed firearm. Also, if my memory serves me correctly (not always the case), the individuals who approached Goetz, while threatening, did not strike or attack him (I'm not saying that they would not have done so if he had not acted) but demanded that he give the money.
The wealthy people who make the laws do not have to worry about situations that people whom they have decreed these laws upon have to. That is because the circles they travel in are safe and civilized. 
cheers to the old man!!!think of how many lives he has saved when punks like these ones think twice next time. Life lived in fear is not worth living.
cheers to the old man!!!think of how many lives he has saved when punks like these ones think twice next time. Life lived in fear is not worth living.
If you're going to pass judgement based on two sentences from a third party...
But I'd leave it to the courts to decide based on the real facts. Anything else is just uninformed opinion (including my own above).
Per Wikipedia "he served two-thirds of a one-year sentence", the charge being illegal weapon possession. Goetz was acquitted of all other charges.
Mr. Kirk, please meet Mr. Nugent.
One can see how this is a very, very contentious debate in the US.
When people say there are only one or two countries in America, they mean: one country is white, and the other is black.
Here in Canada the old chap would get serious time for manslaughter...in the states he gets and attaboy pat on the back from LE.
The man was released by police after they consulted with District Attorney John Adams late Wednesday, WFMZ reported.
^ sounds like no biggie at all...
The man was released by police after they consulted with District Attorney John Adams late Wednesday, WFMZ reported.
^ sounds like no biggie at all...
I do not believe that is an accurate reflection of US law. Got a link to the case?
And if it was an accurate reflection why did Florida and Penn (and I think 13 other states) have to recently pass legislation to say that?
This story has me waffling between two very different stances.
On one hand, I'm kind of cheering for the old fellow for standing his ground and showing the punks that they can't just pick on people like that, especially older folks. Chalk up one for the underdog.
Then, on the other hand, it makes me question the US's position on the right to bear arms. In this case, it seems that some judgement was used and the older guy was possibly justified in doing what he did, but had that gun been in the hands of someone else, the situation may be very different. Who knows who could be dead and for what reason.
On one hand, I'm kind of cheering for the old fellow for standing his ground and showing the punks that they can't just pick on people like that, especially older folks. Chalk up one for the underdog.
Then, on the other hand, it makes me question the US's position on the right to bear arms. In this case, it seems that some judgement was used and the older guy was possibly justified in doing what he did, but had that gun been in the hands of someone else, the situation may be very different. Who knows who could be dead and for what reason.
He probably had six bullets and only took out one attacker, injuring a second TOTALLY not shooting a third assailant. A real softy. I'll bet the boys at the shooting range are gonna rib him about that.
