65 yr old man pushed off bike by teens pulls gun and shoots one dead....

rafterman

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and wounds another.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cops-man-65-kills-teen-who-knocks-him-off-bicycle-2


Probably be a while before the two survivors bully an old guy on a bicycle again.

Cops: Man, 65, kills teen who knocks him off bicycle
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A 65-year-old man who was knocked off his bicycle by three teenagers on a Pennsylvania trail shot two of them, killing one, police said according to reports.

The Reading Eagle newspaper said the wounded teen, 16, was taken to hospital and the third, aged 15, was taken in for questioning and was later committed to a youth center.

The paper said the mother of the slain boy, 16, asked officials not to release his name until she had been able to tell other members of the family what happened.

The incident happened on the Thun Trail near a bridge over the Schuylkill River, between Reading and West Reading just after noon Wednesday.


"There was one juvenile who was shot and is deceased [and] another juvenile who was shot and is in surgery," Police Chief Jed Habecker said, according to a report by the WFMZ-TV station.

According to police, the 65-year-old was riding his bicycle when the teens knocked him to the ground, the station said.

Police said two teens then assaulted the man, who drew his gun and shot them.

The man was released by police after they consulted with District Attorney John Adams late Wednesday, WFMZ reported.
 

james t kirk

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Killing the kid was not called for.

He could have just shot in the air and it would have scared the shit out of them.

He's guilty of manslaughter.
 

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I would just tell the DA I was in fear of my life and felt I needed to use deadly force to protect myself. Not a jury in the land would disagree.
 

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Self defence seems plausible here , while a warning shot would have been preferable , that is hard to do while being assaulted ( for sake of argument I'm taking what is said in the article as truth ) he was also on a trail or some sort, It's possible these teen had set up this ambush.
 

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Self defence. He was attacked. You cant really tell a teen from an adult. He did what he had to do to make sure he was safe.

"Police said two teens then assaulted the man, who drew his gun and shot them"

They threw him off the bike and assaulted him on the ground. The attackers are at fault.
 

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Killing the kid was not called for.

He could have just shot in the air and it would have scared the shit out of them.
Not everybody is 6'6" like you who could fight off 3 teens with one arm tied behind your back. But, you are right self-defense is illegal in North America and the old man will probably spend the rest of his life in jail. Look what happened to Bernard Goetz(sp).
 

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Not everybody is 6'6" like you who could fight off 3 teens with one arm tied behind your back. But, you are right self-defense is illegal in North America and the old man will probably spend the rest of his life in jail. Look what happened to Bernard Goetz(sp).
North America, what?
This happened in the U.S, a country, you're talking about a continent.
Not sure what the laws in the state of Penns. are in regards to self defense, but they're probably more relaxed than Canada as a whole.
 

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Wow, after careful consideration of the newspaper report evidence you rendered a verdict in for minutes flat!

And gave advice on how a 65 year old man should respond to an unprovoked violent attack in the woods!

Genius!
The article says the guy shot the kid because they shoved him off the bike, so yeah, based on what was written, I think it was wrong to kill the kid. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. What's next, running guys over on bicycles for yelling at you? (Oh wait.)

I'm not a big believer in guns and killing people. There was nothing to indicate that the old guy was in mortal danger. He shot 2 of the kids in fact. It would be interesting to know more details from the kids that survived.
 

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It'd be interesting to know more of the details. I think the article also mentions that they kids began assaulting the old guy...

Even still.. It's hard to side with a 65 year old who feels the need to bring a gun on his bicycle ride...
 

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The article says the guy shot the kid because they shoved him off the bike, so yeah, based on what was written, I think it was wrong to kill the kid. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. What's next, running guys over on bicycles for yelling at you? (Oh wait.)

I'm not a big believer in guns and killing people. There was nothing to indicate that the old guy was in mortal danger. He shot 2 of the kids in fact. It would be interesting to know more details from the kids that survived.
I thought the article said they pushed him off bike then started assaulting him. That seems like self defense but I will hold my opinion until I have more information.
 

rafterman

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Yeah the old guy gets pushed to the ground and only takes one kick in the head and game over. Plus when you are in fear adrenaline governs your actions.
 

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There was nothing to indicate that the old guy was in mortal danger.
Easy to say; you weren't there.

when your in fear adrenaline governs your actions.
...and exactly the same way a gang-mentality develops, but with a different response; the kids, as a group, might not have been planning to cause serious harm, but there's nothing to say might have happened if only one of them began to get violent.
 

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The article says the guy shot the kid because they shoved him off the bike, so yeah, based on what was written, I think it was wrong to kill the kid. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. What's next, running guys over on bicycles for yelling at you? (Oh wait.)

I'm not a big believer in guns and killing people. There was nothing to indicate that the old guy was in mortal danger. He shot 2 of the kids in fact. It would be interesting to know more details from the kids that survived.
If the teens did continue assaulting the old guy, the old man did the right thing. When you alone are in hand-to-hand fight against 3 attackers, there's no time for warning shot. It's either you shoot them or they grab your gun and shoot you. Not to mention a 15 yr old could be stronger than a 65 yr old.
 

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There are only two countries, three, if you count Mexico in North America.

I'm MORE than aware of what countries are in the continent of N.A., my point was, you said "But, you are right self-defense is illegal in North America".
This happened in Pennsylvania, a STATE of the U.S. which is a country, so depending on their laws and "self-defense" in that state, your statement made no sense whatsoever. lol


How could killing someone in self-defense be illegal in North America, if this happened in a state of the U.S. where their gun laws vary from state to state and in a LOT of states, it's perfectly legal.
Just didn't understand why you brought North American into all this.
 

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Penn passed "no retreat" self defense laws similar to Florida's last summer. This guy is probably walking scott free.
 

rafterman

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Well the story said the police let the guy walk after talking to the DA. He probably is going to avoid charges unless there is a major backlash and the DA views it as expedient to cya before the next election.
 
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