2012 Car of the Year.....

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�(CNNMoney) -- Detroit automakers got shut out of honors at their hometown's auto show Monday as the Hyundai Elantra and the Range Rover Evoque won North American car and truck of the year awards.

The win by Hyundai is the second time it captures car of the year honors at the show in four years. Its luxury Genesis won the award in 2009.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/09/autos/elantra_car_of_the_year/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3
 

GameBoy27

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They've come along way since the Hyundai Pony!
 

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I don't like the styling of the new Hyundais. Too curvy, too bland, too wide.

The Sonatas and Elantras of the late 90s, early 2000s looked good.
 

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And yet they insist on keeping this brand name!

I know Hyundai is a respected name in Korea but FFS, it is an uphill battle here in North America. I think it is a great car but would never own one simply because of the brand name
You don't have to own it. Lease it from someone smart enough to buy quality.

You drive the car, not the name.
 

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the PONY years were SO BAD that simply out of principle, i would never ever buy a hyundai
That sums it up for me too. Hyundai was a bad joke, up there with Lada and the Yugo. In fact I would say probably the worst brand name in cars I could think of.

I'm glad they improved, but I would never buy a car with that nameplate. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
 

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That sums it up for me too. Hyundai was a bad joke, up there with Lada and the Yugo. In fact I would say probably the worst brand name in cars I could think of.

I'm glad they improved, but I would never buy a car with that nameplate. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
That said, the Equus car of theirs looks very nice...roomy, powerful V8, nice features. Looks as good as the Lexus LS600, which is the king of Asian imports, for a lot less money.

Hyundai needs to have a luxury division using a different name. Toyota, Honda, Nissan all did this (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti) for a reason. Luxury car buyers want a nameplate that is luxurious and indicates the car is a quality, expensive product. Even GM and Ford did this way back in the horseless carriage days with Cadillac and Lincoln. German makers Mercedes and BMW don't have to get a luxury name as over here all their products are considered luxury products. When Mercedes introduced the Smart Car the dealers were like "Whatever you do don't call that a Mercedes or it will kill us". In Europe Mercedes is seen more as a manufacturer of varied price ranges and products. They make work vans, large trucks, buses, taxi cabs, police cars, and all kinds of cars. A bit like GM in the US in that they are in many areas. So the luxury Mercedes S550 is talked about as "the S-Class" not "Mercedes". In Paris when I was there people would say things like "he arrived in a Class S" when discussing high-end Mercedes products.

So if Hyundai opened seperate dealerships selling the Equus under the nameplate "Tao" or something, they would sell a lot more of them in North America. Hyundai just equates with 'cheap crap' to my generation and we don't want that nameplate on a car we drive. The fact that it is a good car now is all the more reason to change the name.
 

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some of you guys are ridiculous, judging a company for a car that was made what like 25 years ago!!! if that was the case then nobody would be driving a Toyota or Honda now (remember how they were judged ohh haha, North Americans only want large cars, haha they will never buy that), now who is laughing? certainly not the folks at Chrysler.
 

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some of you guys are ridiculous, judging a company for a car that was made what like 25 years ago!!! if that was the case then nobody would be driving a Toyota or Honda now (remember how they were judged ohh haha, North Americans only want large cars, haha they will never buy that), now who is laughing? certainly not the folks at Chrysler.
hondaS,toyotas and datsuns had an immediate cult following in north america and they NEVER had quality control nor product issues when they came to north america.
 

oldjones

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hondaS,toyotas and datsuns had an immediate cult following in north america and they NEVER had quality control nor product issues when they came to north america.
Except the first few years would rust while you watched. But unlike the established domestics who kept doing more of the same—which included more ignoring their sliding market-share—the imports fixed their quality issues and improved.

Like Hyundai. But let's not be too hard on the guys who'd never buy one 'because of 25 years ago'. Just like all those Dads back then 'who'd never buy an import', the market needs people who buy irrationally.
 

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What old jones said. I remember driving in 5 year old Civics at the time where you could see the road beneath you because the bottom of the car had rusted out.
You forget that all cars rusted like crazy back then. I drove my grandfathers chev malibu when he stopped driving. you could open the trunk and see a god couple of square feet of pavement.
 

whitewaterguy

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What old jones said. I remember driving in 5 year old Civics at the time where you could see the road beneath you because the bottom of the car had rusted out.
so did all of the 50's 60's and 70's beetles as did my 65 mgb nice views of he pavement
 

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�(CNNMoney) -- Detroit automakers got shut out of honors at their hometown's auto show Monday as the Hyundai Elantra and the Range Rover Evoque won North American car and truck of the year awards.
No male over 22yo should be seen driving either of the above
 

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The win by Hyundai is the second time it captures car of the year honors at the show in four years. Its luxury Genesis won the award in 2009.

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Didn't translate into sales though.

Hyundai has a great business model of giving up-market features in affordable cars. You can definitely tell the quality difference in details between Hyundai and many high end cars but the difference is offset by the cost. You haters should stop living in the past. At one point Dodge might have made good cars but they're not even a consideration now.

Ford seems like a solid company lately though. The only of the NA companies really competing (Focus gets mentioned in the article as a runner up to the Elantra).
 

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So……. People who drive Hyundai’s are typically cheap and old? Isn’t that a little presumptuous, maybe they’re typically mature and frugal? :eyebrows:
yeah, that's exactly what I said
 

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�(CNNMoney) -- Detroit automakers got shut out of honors at their hometown's auto show Monday as the Hyundai Elantra and the Range Rover Evoque won North American car and truck of the year awards.

The win by Hyundai is the second time it captures car of the year honors at the show in four years. Its luxury Genesis won the award in 2009.






http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/09/autos/elantra_car_of_the_year/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3
this makes for a pretty good read. Owner reviews of the 2009 Hyundai Genesis. Looks like Hyundai hasnt come very far since the PONY days according to most of the reviews. Still building pieces of shit

http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/genesis/2009/consumer-reviews.html
 
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