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alexmst

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'It wasn't rape': German father who slept with his daughter 500 times from the age of 12 is jailed for less than THREE YEARS
Fathered three children during illicit relationship
Threatened to 'kill her if she told anyone'

By Allan Hall

Last updated at 8:24 PM on 19th December 2011

A German father who slept with his daughter over 500 times and produced three incest children was jailed for less than three years on Monday after a court declared he did not rape her.

A judge in the case of Adolf B., 69, stunned female and child protection rights groups by declaring that his sexual relationship with his daughter over 30 years was 'by agreement' - even though he first molested her when she was only 12-years-old.

He was accused of brutalising his wife and children, stunning them into a long-term conspiracy of silence. But the judge threw out the rape charge and sentenced him to just two years and eight months in jail for incest.

Prosecutors at the court in Nuremberg had demanded a 14 year sentence for the ordeal he inflicted on his daughter Renate.



In the media he was called the 'German Fritzl' in reference to the Austrian rapist Josef Fritzl who imprisoned his daughter Elisabeth for 24 years and fathered six incest children with her.

Adolf B. was charged with 497 rapes committed over 34 years until his arrest in March this year. His daughter, now 46, had three children by him, two of whom have since died.

'She liked it,' he said of his sexual relationship with her although Renate testified otherwise. She said he threatened to kill her if she told anyone about what happened between them.

She told the court; 'He said; 'Tell a soul and I will kill you. No matter where you go I will find you and kill you.'

The German woman lived in the family home along with her mother and siblings in Willmersbach, a village near Nuremberg.
She spoke of constant beatings, with all members of the family subjected to a routing of aggression and fear.

A prosecutor told the the Nuremberg-Fürth regional court: 'She had three sons by her father, one of whom died as a baby, another of whom died recently, while the third survived.'

Authorities only uncovered the case after the woman was convicted of blackmailing the wife of a doctor she blamed for the disability of one of her sons. She was assigned a parole officer who won her trust and eventually heard her story.

A spokeswoman for a rape crisis centre in Berlin said; 'This is a shocking judgement, for the woman (Adolf's wife and daughter), for women everywhere and for justice. What was this judge thinking? That a 12-year-old girl can make these kinds of choices?'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-500-times-jailed-3-years.html#ixzz1h1zpoFmB
 

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"This is a shocking judgement. . . . What was this judge thinking? That a 12-year-old girl can make these kinds of choices?"
You can say that again! Can the prosecution appeal a sentence in Germany?

Good God, three years for 500 counts of Statutory Rape and Incest!
 

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You can say that again! Can the prosecution appeal a sentence in Germany?

Good God, three years for 500 counts of Statutory Rape and Incest!
I think they have the option to appeal it, based on this other article I was reading:

BERLIN (Reuters) - German prosecutors withdrew their appeal on Friday against a court decision to free convicted Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk. Munich prosecutors said the 91-year-old Demjanjuk no longer posed a flight risk since he is confined to a nursing home.

Ukraine-born Demjanjuk is stateless after being stripped of his U.S. citizenship before his extradition to Germany in 2009.

In May a Munich court convicted Demjanjuk of helping to kill more than 28,000 people at the Sobibor camp in German-occupied Poland during World War Two.

But prosecutors later filed an appeal against Demjanjuk's five-year prison sentence and his immediate release from jail, which the court said was because of his advanced age. Prosecutors had initially demanded a six-year sentence.

Demjanjuk's lawyers have also appealed his guilty verdict but it will take at least a year to go through the required legal procedures.
 

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European style justice for you. Enough to make you hurl. 3 years for ruining an innocent girl's life.
 

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seems to be a norm in Germany and Austria it seems. Wasn't there stories in Austria where a Dad locked up her daughter in a special made basement dungeon for 20+ years, with not a window to let in light, fathered 3 or so children with her whom he locked up in the dungeon too? There was another case of father locking up a daughter in the basement.

I bet there are so many cases of these unknown to anyone of us
 

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Yeah its messed up but then what would the Germans think about the Stunt driving laws where just going 150 km/h you lose your car and license? They got the autobahn with no speed limits.

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Its a different country, in some lands he would be beheaded.

I'm not super happy living in the USA but it does have its good points. We don't put up with that shit--once we find out, too bad it takes 20 years sometimes.
 

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Yeah its messed up but then what would the Germans think about the Stunt driving laws where just going 150 km/h you lose your car and license? They got the autobahn with no speed limits.
However, they have very strict unsafe driving laws.
 

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However, they have very strict unsafe driving laws.

But their idea of unsafe driving differs vs ours. Just speed alone is viewed as unsafe over here..what is Germany blood alcohol limit I wounder

Hmm, .05 also, if the BAC exceeds 0.03%, driving is illegal if the driver is showing changes in behavior. All learner drivers must be zero

Cool

Their sex laws I believe are looser ....

Oh yeah

Prostitution in Germany is legal, and so are brothels

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Well see that what starts problems sometimes, once sex gets thought of as not a big deal, then shit like incest might become viewed not as bad.
 

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How the hell can you guys compare rape of a minor to speeding????????

This report of rape of a minor and incest is sickening to the bone.
 

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You can say that again! Can the prosecution appeal a sentence in Germany?

Good God, three years for 500 counts of Statutory Rape and Incest!
It is funny how people don't read things carefully before they jump all over things. To be honest Ardy I am most surprised by your reaction...I thought you might read the details a little more thoroughly. Let's look at the things that everyone seems to be ignoring:

1) he was NOT convicted of statutory rape. It seems that Germany has a 20 year limitation period for that crime and this case was brought too late. So there are NOt statutory rape convictions in this case.

2) he was not convicted of rape. The judge found insufficient evidence to prove this charge and found that there were many parts of the complainants' testimony were contradictory or not credible. Thus there are NO rape convictions. There is a little more detail on this article here: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/316416

3) The only thing he was convicted of was incest, because the judge was not convinced that she did not consent.

A three year sentence for incest is not so bizarre in the circumstances.

Of course the article is written like trash, and people who have a bias against Europeans are happy to buy into the bullshit to call them weak, and surprise surprise a brit tabloid likes to take a crack at the German justice system.

But, if you read the article closely, and try to understand what happened...if is not so strange at all.
 

rld

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seems to be a norm in Germany and Austria it seems. Wasn't there stories in Austria where a Dad locked up her daughter in a special made basement dungeon for 20+ years, with not a window to let in light, fathered 3 or so children with her whom he locked up in the dungeon too? There was another case of father locking up a daughter in the basement.

I bet there are so many cases of these unknown to anyone of us
What kind of dolt are you? It seems the norm...? You find one case in each country which gets huge media attention and it is the norm? What would you say if someone in Europe suggested that Bernardo was the norm for Canada?
 

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It is funny how people don't read things carefully before they jump all over things. To be honest Ardy I am most surprised by your reaction...I thought you might read the details a little more thoroughly. Let's look at the things that everyone seems to be ignoring:

1) he was NOT convicted of statutory rape. It seems that Germany has a 20 year limitation period for that crime and this case was brought too late. So there are NOt statutory rape convictions in this case.

2) he was not convicted of rape. The judge found insufficient evidence to prove this charge and found that there were many parts of the complainants' testimony were contradictory or not credible. Thus there are NO rape convictions. There is a little more detail on this article here: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/316416

3) The only thing he was convicted of was incest, because the judge was not convinced that she did not consent.

A three year sentence for incest is not so bizarre in the circumstances.

Of course the article is written like trash, and people who have a bias against Europeans are happy to buy into the bullshit to call them weak, and surprise surprise a brit tabloid likes to take a crack at the German justice system.

But, if you read the article closely, and try to understand what happened...if is not so strange at all.
Let's not argue about semantics and let's focus on the real issue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bottom line any person who thinks a father who sleeps with his 12 year old daughter is considered consentual sex has a few screws loose, regardless if it happened over 20 years ago. German laws are screwy as far as I'm concerned on this issue. Incest between two adults is one thing, but incest with a 12 year old, well that's considered rape in my book.
 

rld

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Let's not argue about semantics and let's focus on the real issue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bottom line any person who thinks a father who sleeps with his 12 year old daughter is considered consentual sex has a few screws loose, regardless if it happened over 20 years ago. German laws are screwy as far as I'm concerned on this issue. Incest between two adults is one thing, but incest with a 12 year old, well that's considered rape in my book.
It is also considered rape in Germany's book but:

a) the 20 years to prosecute had passed and you can't sentence a guy for something you don't convict him of; and

b) the judge did not accept her evidence on a number of points (although I cannot say if he bothered to make a finding on this issue)
 
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So he's protected by the statute of limitations??

It is also considered rape in Germany's book but:

a) the 20 years to prosecute had passed and you can't sentence a guy for something you don't convict him of; and

b) the judge did not accept her evidence on a number of points (although I cannot say if he bothered to make a finding on this issue)
Maybe they are planning to let him serve his relastively short prison sentance out in the general population so he can be somebody else's bitch.:p
 
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