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Public school forcing religion on children

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FLORENCE, S.C. (CN) - A family says a public school district is unconstitutionally promoting Christianity, brazenly requiring students to attend "an evangelical revival assembly to 'save' students" by coming to Jesus, and telling a father who complained about it that he "needed to get right with God."
On his own behalf and for his son, Jonathan Anderson sued the Chesterfield County School District and School Board, Superintendent John Williams and New Heights Middle School Principal Larry Stinson, in Federal Court.
Anderson says that on Sept. 1 this year, "New Heights Middle School officials held an evangelical revival assembly intended to 'save' students by encouraging them to accept Jesus Christ into their hearts. The school-day assembly featured a minister who delivered a sermon, a Christian rapper (known as 'B-SHOC'), and church members who prayed with students. Students were urged to sign a pledge dedicating themselves to Christ. The event was remarkable because it showed how brazen school officials have become in flouting the law and infringing students' and parents' First Amendment rights."
The complaint states: "The first amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits public schools from proselytizing students, sponsoring prayer, or otherwise promoting religion. When public school officials engage in these unconstitutional activities, they harm schoolchildren by coercing them into religious practice and subjecting them to unwelcome indoctrination and religious messages; they harm parents by usurping their right to control the religious upbringing of their children; and they harm families and the community as a whole by sending a divisive message of religious favoritism for those who adhere to school officials' preferred faith."
The Sept. 1 evangelical assembly was neither the first nor last time the school district violation the Constitution's Establishment Clause, Anderson says.
"Rather, the district has a longstanding custom, policy, and practice of coercing and encouraging religious activities, as well as conveying religious messages, throughout district schools, including New Heights Middle School. District officials have repeatedly incorporated prayer and proselytizing into various school-sponsored events, such as school-day assemblies, choral concerts, awards ceremonies, and football games. School officials also openly encourage students to attend religious events, such as student religious clubs, and participate in those activities themselves. In addition, religious iconography and messages adorn the main office, lobby, and hallways of New Heights Middle School and school officials even had a cross depicted in the eye of the school's hawk mascot when it was recently painted on the gymnasium floor."
Anderson says that when he and his son expressed concern about the practices and explained that the practices did not comport with their non-Christian beliefs, "one teacher told Son that he should not disclose the fact that he is a non-believer. And defendant Larry Stinson, principal of New Heights, told Father that he needed to 'get right with God.'"
Anderson says his son's right to attend public school should not be conditioned upon acceptance of unwelcome exposure to government-sponsored religious practices and messages. He says religious education and instruction is a matter for parents, not public school officials.
He says that neither he nor his son, nor anyone else, should be made to feel like outsiders in their own community "merely because they do not subscribe to the particular religious beliefs and practices promoted by school officials".
Anderson seeks declaratory judgment that the defendants' policies are unconstitutional because they are religiously coercive, endorse and promote a religion and have the purpose and effect of advancing religion.
He wants the school district and its officials enjoined from continuing the behavior, displaying religious iconography or distributing Bibles and other religious literature during the school day, or otherwise unconstitutionally endorsing religion or religiously coercing students or parents.
The Andersons are represented by Susan Dunn with the ACLU of South Carolina, in Charleston.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/08/42054.htm
 

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The complaint states: "The first amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits public schools from proselytizing students, sponsoring prayer, or otherwise promoting religion.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It is indeed if true stupid on the part of the School District, and clearly under recent court rulings impermissible, but I still believe the U.S. Supreme Court has over stretched on this point.

And gee I'm just so shocked to learn that the South Carolina ACLU has brought this action.
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Mr. Anderson says that when he and his son expressed concern about the practices and explained that the practices did not comport with their non-Christian beliefs, "one teacher told Son that he should not disclose the fact that he is a non-believer.

He says that neither he nor his son, nor anyone else, should be made to feel like outsiders in their own community
Well he must have moved to Florence, South Carolina from somewhere outside the South, if he doesn't think the teacher is giving sound advice, and he doesn't think that after this lawsuit they are indeed going to feel like outsiders.
 

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In other news, some parents of kids in GTA schools are complaining that their schools are promoting an "alternative lifestyle".
 

jwmorrice

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In the laboratory.
In other news, some parents of kids in GTA schools are complaining that their schools are promoting an "alternative lifestyle".
"Alternative lifestyle," eh. Gee, I wonder what that could mean. Whatever it is, I'm sure it can be prayed away.

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"Alternative lifestyle," eh. Gee, I wonder what that could mean.
Dude, I'm trying to be sensitive here.

In other news, some secular parents are saying that there is no place for religion in our GTA public schools as prayer rooms are being opened in some schools for members of a certain religious group.
 

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"Alternative lifestyle," eh. Gee, I wonder what that could mean. Whatever it is, I'm sure it can be prayed away.

jwm
Must have to do with taking it up the ass. Preachers are big on that so our kids are in good hands.
 

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Dude, I'm trying to be sensitive here.

In other news, some secular parents are saying that there is no place for religion in our GTA public schools as prayer rooms are being opened in some schools for members of a certain religious group.
News to me, I'm sure you can provide the reference. But don't mistake recent stories about allowing Muslim kids to have prayers in the gym for "…prayer rooms…being opened".

Our public institutions should be respectful and accommodating of all personal faiths, and give official place or preference to none. Majority or minority.
 

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Let's all remember that years ago there was prayer in public schools.
In Ontario, we had two systems - protestant and catholic.
This was Laurier's compromise to keep everyone in Ontario happy and convince the catholic system in Quebec that nothing would derail their system.
The protestant schools in Ontario became "public" schools and the catholic system remained the same. In Manitoba, it went the other way - catholic schools were closed and protestant schools promoted as a direct result of the hard feeling towards french-catholics particularly the Metis after the Riel rebellion.
All religion and prayer was taken out of the "public" system in Ontario around the 50's and 60's when immigrants from religions other than Christianity started to arrive enmass in Canada.
 

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All religion and prayer was taken out of the "public" system in Ontario around the 50's and 60's when immigrants from religions other than Christianity started to arrive enmass in Canada.
I seem to remember the Lords Prayer when I was in elementary school and that was 70's/80's.
 

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It is interesting to see CM post this one outside his usual religion-hate thread. I wonder why the change in tactics.

Also wonder why he doesn't have the courtesy to put it in the political section.
 

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It is interesting to see CM post this one outside his usual religion-hate thread. I wonder why the change in tactics.

Also wonder why he doesn't have the courtesy to put it in the political section.
that thread is locked by one of the moderators and next time i will place stories like this in the politics section
 

blackrock13

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that thread is locked by one of the moderators and next time i will place stories like this in the politics section
Why would you do that? There's less exposure there. Some members won't get you very valuable message, cough. Or is it that you will be able to hide your vitriole better there.
 

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Why would you do that? There's less exposure there. Some members won't get you very valuable message, cough. Or is it that you will be able to hide your vitriole better there.
hey look blackrock13 my opposition want's me to post them here in the lounge!
 

rld

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that thread is locked by one of the moderators and next time i will place stories like this in the politics section
So either you don't think this thread is political in nature, or your approach to being a member here is to knowingly break rules until punished.

Interesting.
 

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hey look blackrock13 my opposition want's me to post them here in the lounge!
If you didn't post your usual tripe anywhere on TERB, there would be no great loss, but I leave those decisions to others who get paid big bucks to make those decisions on the BB.
 
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