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rld

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Does that mean he won't get credit for starting the trend of disposing Muslim tyrants by getting rid of Saddam?
It's funny you call him a muslim tyrant. Because while he was a muslim, he ran an effectively secular government. Do you refer to Obama as a Christian President or Harper as our Christian PM?
 

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I doubt the U.S. or Canada is 90% Christian. In almost all Muslim countries, Muslims make up 90% or more of the population.
So what is the cut off % for using the religion of the leader when referring to him, even when he is running a secular government?

Or is it just another "them" and "us" kind of thing?

And I guess that is how you define a muslim country.

Does that mean I should refer to Washington or Lincoln as Christian Presidents? Or Lauier as a Christian Prime Minister? Or Churchill as a Christian Prime Minister? Or Gladstone?
 

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And I guess that is how you define a muslim country.
Since this thread is about IRAN. Here are a couple of facts.
The official name is ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. The law of the land in Iran is ISLAMIC law. 98% of the population is Muslim. Yes, that makes it a Muslim country.

(BTW: 97% of the population of Iraq is Muslim so yes that makes it a Muslim country.)
 

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http://web.archive.org/web/20070927213903/http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=200247

Note that Iran has not merely SAID it wants to destroy Israel, it has actually provided weapons and training to terrorist organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel, it has backed up its public statements with violent actions.
As suspected.
The one and only quote is from a mistranslated speech in 2005.
The correct translation does not give a threat to Israel at all.

I stand by my statement.
Iran has never pledged to destroy any nation, including Israel.
 

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Since this thread is about IRAN. Here are a couple of facts.
The official name is ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. The law of the land in Iran is ISLAMIC law. 98% of the population is Muslim. Yes, that makes it a Muslim country.

(BTW: 97% of the population of Iraq is Muslim so yes that makes it a Muslim country.)
So what is the cut off point of inserting the religion into the national title and does it apply to Canada, the US, Britain and other countries when they had similar christian homogenity?
 

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As suspected.
The one and only quote is from a mistranslated speech in 2005.
The correct translation does not give a threat to Israel at all.

I stand by my statement.
Iran has never pledged to destroy any nation, including Israel.
You have moved from desparation to delusion.
 

groggy

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You will note I linked to an Iranian state media page. The translation was provided by Iran. That is the official Iranian translation.
Doesn't mean its not a mistranslation.
This was all discussed here a long time ago, the correct translation does not imply any threat.
We could get into it again, but it would miss the point.

You have said here before that Iran 'constantly' threatens Israel.
Yet the only thing you could find was one misquoted statement from 6 years ago.
So much for constantly.
My statement still stands.

The only reason Israel is worried that Iran might get the bomb is that it might take away Israel's belief that they can bomb anyone in the middle east whenever they like.
 

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I love this. The official government translation is wrong. That explains Iran's creation and funding of Hezbollah.
Plus at the time the Iranian Republican Guards quoted that phrase and plastered it all over their buildings, vehicles, and other things. Oh yeah... they included the "mistranslated" English on all those signs. They were driving around with it on the sides of military vehicles, and it was written on billboards that were up on the sides of government buildings.

But I guess it was all just a "mistranslation", that the government not only reiterated through multiple media outlets, but actually plastered up on the walls!

The Iranians must be pretty stupid if such an obvious "mistranslation" was allowed to be repeated in so many different places in so many different ways....

Perhaps it's also a "mistake" that they are funding Hamas and Hezbollah and supplying them with weapons and equipment with which to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
 

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Well let's see, the quote was repeated both by Iran's Supreme Leader and by its President--and given the same official translation both times--and then that same quote was plastered all over Iran by its military, again with the same official translation into English. I think that counts multiple times, don't you?

Your wrong claim was that Iran had never threatened any other country. I showed you a threat, one that was repeated multiple times, by multiple senior members of the Iranian regime, and translated into English officially by Iran the same way each time.

You just don't like that you were wrong and you are trying to squirm out of it like the dishonest carp that you are.
 

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Lets see some evidence that quote was plastered everywhere, I think you are making things up again.
So, once again, all you have is one misquote as evidence of Iranian threats?

Its so easy to find Israeli threats, that I'll offer to find 10 for every one you can find.
And no, this misquote doesn't count.

Go ahead, try to find another.
 

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Lets see some evidence that quote was plastered everywhere, I think you are making things up again.
So, once again, all you have is one misquote as evidence of Iranian threats?

Its so easy to find Israeli threats, that I'll offer to find 10 for every one you can find.
And no, this misquote doesn't count.

Go ahead, try to find another.

We could go with Israel is cancer and must be removed. or Israel is dead...you know the usual suspects.

And I don't accept for a second the Iran apologists attempt to clean up the reputation of a certain holocaust and 9/11 denying moron's language. You should be ashamed of yourself for defending such hate speech.
 

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Lets see some evidence that quote was plastered everywhere, I think you are making things up again.
So, once again, all you have is one misquote as evidence of Iranian threats?

Its so easy to find Israeli threats, that I'll offer to find 10 for every one you can find.
And no, this misquote doesn't count.

Go ahead, try to find another.
From Amir Ali-Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC aerospace department, told Fars news agency on Monday:

"In that case (of an Israeli attack) we would do what we wanted to do for quite a while; bunging the enemy of Islam and Muslims [Israel] into the trash bin of history,"

That really wasn't hard to find.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...the-trash-bin-of-history-if-attacked-1.396837

The point isn't the directness of the threat or whether it was misquoted, but how often it is uttered and who says it. If you're in Israel and you think that these guys who are developing ballistic missile systems and nuclear warheads are saying this stuff, would you look for every opportunity to deny it's true???

We're talking about a remote chance of a catastrophic event, which is exactly a situation where reasonable people buy insurance. Grog, if you don't see Israelis as human beings who quite reasonably see a serious risk, there's no point in this discussion with you.
 

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From Amir Ali-Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC aerospace department, told Fars news agency on Monday:

"In that case (of an Israeli attack) we would do what we wanted to do for quite a while; bunging the enemy of Islam and Muslims [Israel] into the trash bin of history,"

That really wasn't hard to find.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...the-trash-bin-of-history-if-attacked-1.396837

The point isn't the directness of the threat or whether it was misquoted, but how often it is uttered and who says it. If you're in Israel and you think that these guys who are developing ballistic missile systems and nuclear warheads are saying this stuff, would you look for every opportunity to deny it's true???

We're talking about a remote chance of a catastrophic event, which is exactly a situation where reasonable people buy insurance. Grog, if you don't see Israelis as human beings who quite reasonably see a serious risk, there's no point in this discussion with you.
That's not a threat.
That's a declaration that if Israel attacks, they will respond.

Try again please.
 
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