Feds will intervene if Air Canada workers strike: Raitt

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Date: Monday Oct. 10, 2011 3:41 PM ET

With an Air Canada strike looking increasingly likely, the airline has announced it is allowing passengers to rebook their travel plans to avoid the expected disruption.

But a work stoppage could be short lived, as Labour Minister Lisa Raitt said the government is ready to introduce back-to-work legislation drafted during the first round of labour negotiations earlier this year.

The airline's 6,800 flight attendants will be in a legal strike position at 12:01 a.m. Thursday morning after members rejected a tentative contract agreement on Sunday.

It marks the second time negotiators for the Canadian Union of Public Employees have reached a tentative agreement with the employer, only to have the flight attendants reject the contract.

Of the flight attendants who voted, 65 per cent rejected the deal.

Air Canada has issued a statement saying it hopes to avoid a work stoppage, but will try to maintain a partial schedule if the strike goes ahead.

However, the airline said it is now allowing customers who are booked to travel in the next six days, to change their dates for free.

According to the statement, passengers who are booked on flights from Oct. 10 to Oct. 15 can change their travel dates until Dec. 15 free of charge. That offer will be renewed every six days on a rolling window basis.

The government has said it won't tolerate a lengthy strike, meaning employees could soon be back at work in the event of a stoppage.

"I would highly recommend to both parties that they conclude some kind of deal that they believe can be ratified … It is their best interest to do so," Raitt told CTV News Channel Monday.

Raitt made it clear during the negotiation process that she was ready and willing to introduce back-to-work legislation if the two sides were unable to make a deal by the deadline.

She even had the legislation prepared ahead of time, though it was never used because the negotiators managed to settle on an agreement just hours before the deadline was reached.

However, the House of Commons is not scheduled to be in session this week, and MPs would have to be called back for an emergency session in order for a back-to-work bill to be passed any earlier than next week.

It's the second time the flight attendants have turned down a deal that their representatives negotiated on their behalf, thereby erasing weeks of work at the bargaining table.

The previous tentative agreement was rejected in August, after CUPE leaders said they were confident members would support the deal.

Duncan Dee, Air Canada's executive vice-president and chief operating officer, said he still had hope that a deal could be reached.

"We are perplexed and disappointed that two tentative agreements negotiated in good faith with and unanimously recommended by the democratically elected representatives of our flight attendants have failed to be ratified," Dee said in a statement. "Air Canada remains hopeful that a disruption can be avoided."

Jeff Taylor, president of CUPE's Air Canada Component, said the vote indicates union members are frustrated with the airline. The major areas of dispute between the two sides are wages, pensions, crew reset and working conditions.

Taylor cautioned the federal government against threatening or introducing another back-to-work bill in an effort to quash a strike.

"We ask the federal government, in the strongest possible terms, to respect our right to collective bargaining and not intervene unilaterally in this dispute," Taylor said.

Strike could harm economy, says Raitt

Raitt has openly said she believes the threat of looming back-to-work legislation helped motivate union representatives to reach a deal with the airline.

"The government has already indicated what its plans were in the event of a work stoppage last time," Raitt said. "That legislation is still alive and available to us."

Responding to critics who say that the government should stay out of the labour talks and let the two sides come to an agreement, Raitt noted that a potential strike at the airline could be detrimental to the economy at a time of uncertainty.

"We have a situation here, where you can easily see that the parties are simply not coming to an agreement that can be ratified themselves."

Raitt added that the contents of the legislation remain under wraps, so it's not clear to either side if they could gain an advantage by waiting for Ottawa to force the issue.


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But, but thats private enterpise, certainly Harper isn't suggesting the gpvernment intervene in the free market! You know taking command of the economy by shaping it his will. In this case repressing benifits for workers to please employers!

Harper still doesn't get it, aside from his war against Unions that wealth redistrabution is one of the key pillars of building a real lasting economic recovery. The problem in corporations aren't investing because they know thier not enough to demand to sell more product because wealth is far too concetrated and unemployment and underemployment is too wide spread as is the fear that you could be next so people are holding back on spending. Bring on 2015.
 

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Air Canada is a corporation that benefits HEAVILY from government interference in the free market. If that market were truly free, international airlines would be able to fly within Canada. Air Canada would be in deep shit in that case, and likely be subsumed by a larger, foreign airline. Instead, they benefit from direct government protection. To retain that protection, they have to behave somewhat differently than a purely commercial airline, and not bring the country to its knees. The best thing the Harper government could do to protect the Canadian consumer is to relieve Air Canada (and the other Canadian airlines) of their market protection. Ordering pampered, protected air hostesses back to work, instead of firing the lot of them in favour of lower-paid, yet more enthusiastic global competitors, is doing Air Canada a favour.

And if you are relying on wealth redistribution, my guess is you can't afford to fly anyhow.
 

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The public be damned. Greedy unions. More, more, more, that is the mantra of unions. More money, more benefits, more vacation, more pension (and less work). We should mothball Air Canada and give the business to Westjet and Porter and/or do an "open sky".
 

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The public be damned. Greedy unions. More, more, more, that is the mantra of unions. More money, more benefits, more vacation, more pension (and less work). We should mothball Air Canada and give the business to Westjet and Porter and/or do an "open sky".
More, more, more is the mantra of business and commerce. Why are workers to be forbidden what everyone else wants, gets and the economystics tell us is the essence of exchange?

I'm with you on 'open skies', similar policies have worked so well on sea and land over the centuries, I don't see why we even bother with air traffic control.

But back to "the public be damned". As I understand it in the truly 'free' market, there is no public, or public interest. Just rapacious shearers, looking at everyone else as sheep; supposedly this unrestricted exercise of greed is best for the profit of all. As in spectacular, unregulated overnight gas-price hikes, f'rinstance. Or did I miss Mr. Harper's Minister of Pork threatening those businesses with swift passage of greed-throttling legislation?

The real trouble is the public's been conned into the sheep-pens.
 

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Of course, it is always the unions who are to blame.

From what I understand the Union bargaining committee said yes, but the union members said no. The membership needs a few shovels upside their collective heads. So how is it not the memberships fault.
 

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I guess these flight attendants will march on Bay Street.

The best way to bankrupt your company (or country) is to give the unions everything they want.
 

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Its corporations and executives that want more, more, more. They're the greedy ones that want to bankrupt this country an others. Unions just want a good wage, benifits, and to be able to not be in poverity in thier old age. Where are the the complaints about greed as executive salaries soar. Greed is virtue for the rich and wanting a fair share is vice for the little guy.
 

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Its corporations and executives that want more, more, more. They're the greedy ones that want to bankrupt this country an others. Unions just want a good wage, benifits, and to be able to not be in poverity in thier old age. Where are the the complaints about greed as executive salaries soar. Greed is virtue for the rich and wanting a fair share is vice for the little guy.
Apparently the union reps thought it was a good deal. there seems to be a disconnect between the membership and it's reps. The corporation doesn't seem to be in the middle of this one.
 

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Of course, it is always the unions who are to blame.
Fixing the union contracts did fix the North American car industry, providing jobs that would otherwise have been lost.
 

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Its corporations and executives that want more, more, more. They're the greedy ones that want to bankrupt this country an others. Unions just want a good wage, benifits, and to be able to not be in poverity in thier old age. Where are the the complaints about greed as executive salaries soar. Greed is virtue for the rich and wanting a fair share is vice for the little guy.
You haven't exactly made a persuasive case here based on facts or anything specific to the AirCanada negotiations. You are coming across as just another bitter ranter a la old jones and Woody who really does not want to be confused by facts and loves to paint everything with the broadest of brushes.

The negotiating committee has brought two deals to the rank and file which were turned down. It would seem to me that the current union negotiating team does not have the confidence of the rank and file and they should resign or be replaced.
 
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You are coming across as just another bitter ranter a la old jones and Woody who really does want to be confused by facts and loves to paint everything with the braodest of brushes.
LMAO!!!
Your using an even wider paint roller to spread your corporatist BS!
Oh and wipe that brown spot off your nose ....:biggrin1:
 

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The public be damned. Greedy unions. More, more, more, that is the mantra of unions. More money, more benefits, more vacation, more pension (and less work). We should mothball Air Canada and give the business to Westjet and Porter and/or do an "open sky".
Yea...greedy union workers get about 10 bucks an hour when you factor in unpaid turnover time...meanwhile the execs are rolling in lavish bonuses and the the oil companies just smile ( the cost of fuel is the only thing putting the airlines in hot water).
 

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Interesting tactics that Harpers Reform Party is using. I predict that 3.5 years from now the Reform Party will be booted back to their Alberta rural roots. He will win this skirmish against the flight crews, he will win the scuffle with the pilots next time, he will win against the female civil servants who still do not get equal pay for equal work...and every time that he wins his little battles he is stirring up a hornets nest of opposition that will bite his ass in the next election. These folks will NOT forget and what Harper is doing is making militants out of everyday Canadians. Folks who would never thought to do anything political. Folks who consider themselves middle class. Folks who let the 40% of their fellow union members elect the union leaders and rarely voted. Now things are slowly changing. And you will see an explosion of anger that will drive the religious right Harperites back to minority status.
 

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Harper still doesn't get it, aside from his war against Unions that wealth redistrabution is one of the key pillars of building a real lasting economic recovery.
Union war aside, your notion that wealth redistribution is required is absolutly flawed.
They tried that in Russia in last century and it did not work so well.

On a personal note: Do not think for a split second that you have any claim on any of my wealth (such as it is) and I find the mere thought that you feel entiled to it is extremely offensive.
I suggest you go out and work for it rather than have the govt steal it like a thief in the night
 

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Yea...greedy union workers get about 10 bucks an hour when you factor in unpaid turnover time...meanwhile the execs are rolling in lavish bonuses and the the oil companies just smile ( the cost of fuel is the only thing putting the airlines in hot water).
Check your numbers, you are not even close (benefits alone are probably in excess of $10 / hr)
The real issue is not their take home, it is the cost to organization
You have to realize this is a company / industry which has teetered on the brink of bankruptcy for a decade
It masks no sense to reward the unions with a big increase if the company goes under 3 years later because of excessive labor costs (case in point GM)
 
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Union's should be done with.

These days,your "benefits" should be having a job and if you have a problem with it,my 19 year old niece in law is working right now actually, at filling your position. Sure beats the old fat broads and gay guys that work at AC,and she won't complain. A company should be able to hire and fire at will.
 
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