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Brill

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Jun 29, 2008
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...for the 4th straight time in Manitoba.

Balanced budgets every year!

So why do they get labeled elsewhere as reckless spenders? :confused:
 

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Mar 12, 2004
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Not hard

...for the 4th straight time in Manitoba.

Balanced budgets every year!

So why do they get labeled elsewhere as reckless spenders? :confused:
If your province can export 10 BILLION worth of natural resources, its easy to balance budgets AND spend.

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K Douglas

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Jan 5, 2005
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...for the 4th straight time in Manitoba.

Balanced budgets every year!

So why do they get labeled elsewhere as reckless spenders? :confused:
Bob Rae comes to mind.
I just checked the election results. NDP with 37 seats(46%), PC with 19(43.9%) and Liberal with 8(7.5%). So despite being only 2% less in popular vote, the PC's only get half of the seats of the NDP. I wonder if those proposing proportional representation are crying foul here?
 

oldjones

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Aug 18, 2001
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I certainly think that's an unfair result that should be corrected by going to PR. But there's little point in crying foul when FPTP is so firmly established as the favourite among the manipulators and the misled. A bit like pointing out there's no more wrong with coalitions than there in voting for a party you don't belong to. One of the gifts of democracy is being stuck with changing only at the rate the great slow mass will accept. Which is not always a bad thing.

So can we count on your support to see the next electoral reform plebiscite isn't bungled like the last one?
 

blackrock13

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Bob Rae comes to mind.
I just checked the election results. NDP with 37 seats(46%), PC with 19(43.9%) and Liberal with 8(7.5%). So despite being only 2% less in popular vote, the PC's only get half of the seats of the NDP. I wonder if those proposing proportional representation are crying foul here?
Here we go again.

Bob Rae had little choice having been given the tail of the Harris tornado to deal with. It wasn't all his doing.
 

nottyboi

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May 14, 2008
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Bob Rae comes to mind.
I just checked the election results. NDP with 37 seats(46%), PC with 19(43.9%) and Liberal with 8(7.5%). So despite being only 2% less in popular vote, the PC's only get half of the seats of the NDP. I wonder if those proposing proportional representation are crying foul here?
I would not want proportional representation as it allows too many nut bars into govt. What I DO support is first past the post (50% +1) for each candidate.
 

nottyboi

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May 14, 2008
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Here we go again.

Bob Rae had little choice having been given the tail of the Harris tornado to deal with. It wasn't all his doing.
Actually Harris came AFTER Rae, I think you mean David Peterson...but I agree with you that Bob Rae was handed a bad situation, tried to keep everyone employed... but pissed everyone off because the majority of the electorate are idiots who deserved to be lied to.
 

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Wrong

Here we go again.

Bob Rae had little choice having been given the tail of the Harris tornado to deal with. It wasn't all his doing.
The LIBs cut payments to Ont. because the PC got in, and Harris did what any responsible gov should do, cut costs to try and balance the budget.
Something the NDP...... NEVER have to worry about.

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Riotman

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Here we go again.

Bob Rae had little choice having been given the tail of the Harris tornado to deal with. It wasn't all his doing.
LOL.

Boob Ray and Pink Floyd. The good ol days eh.

Manitoba?...keep the NDP there and Manitoba is what it is,please. Let Ontario continue to pat them on the head and tell them everything's gonna be alright.
 

blackrock13

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Actually Harris came AFTER Rae, I think you mean David Peterson...but I agree with you that Bob Rae was handed a bad situation, tried to keep everyone employed... but pissed everyone off because the majority of the electorate are idiots who deserved to be lied to.
You are absolutely right, my bad., long day.
 

oldjones

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Aug 18, 2001
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I would not want proportional representation as it allows too many nut bars into govt. What I DO support is first past the post (50% +1) for each candidate.
I assume there's no need to catalogue the many nutbars, crooks and incompetents the present system has given seats to over the years. I take it you're proposing a second run-off election in every riding, forcing everyone who rejected the top two to decide on the least worst? Somehow I can't see that as a very reliable way to get the best MPs, nor much of an endorsement for the winner as the people's choice. And it would cost us another $30 million more or less, just a week or two later.

Just as the present system does, PR depends on the parties to pick good people to run. The two systems have equal nutbar potential.
 

dirk076

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Here we go again.

Bob Rae had little choice having been given the tail of the Harris tornado to deal with. It wasn't all his doing.
Uuuummmmmm....Harris came after Rae and the cuts under Harris were necessary because of reckless spending by Rae and Federal downloading.
 

train

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Jul 29, 2002
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...for the 4th straight time in Manitoba.

Balanced budgets every year!

So why do they get labeled elsewhere as reckless spenders? :confused:
Bob Rae, British Columbia when they were in power there. Campaign promises, platforms where they promise the world but don't really expect to get elected. Fear that they will bend over to CUPE and ask " How deep" ?

Gary Doer did a fine job in Manitoba and his successor seems to be continuing the trend. If Doer ( not Dewar) was the federal leader I would consider voting for him.

They may lose the reckless spending label after Dalton showed us how its really done.
 

blackrock13

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Uuuummmmmm....Harris came after Rae and the cuts under Harris were necessary because of reckless spending by Rae and Federal downloading.
Harris/Peterson was cleared up in earlier post, but better late than never.

As opposed to David Peterson's budget for 1990/91, which was projected to be a surplus but ended in a $3 billions with economy going in the tank in the US and Canada. That what Rae walked into. Yes, it took 40 billion over 4 years to reverse the momentum. It would have been interesting to see what other leaders could have done. I doubt not much differently.

Th downloading from the Federal government was a nasty entity that we're still living with
 

Possum Trot

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Harris/Peterson was cleared up in earlier post, but better late than never.

As opposed to David Peterson's budget for 1990/91, which was projected to be a surplus but ended in a $3 billions with economy going in the tank in the US and Canada. That what Rae walked into. Yes, it took 40 billion over 4 years to reverse the momentum. It would have been interesting to see what other leaders could have done. I doubt not much differently.

Th downloading from the Federal government was a nasty entity that we're still living with
As much as you would like to blame someone of your own choosing you can't change history so what's the point. Its widely accepted (deservedly or not) that the NDP has a reputation of being reckless spenders. Even Brill thinks the public generally regards them that way. The question is not who inherited the worse situation when they took power but how did they get this reputation. If it wasn't because of Rae what is it a result of?
 

GPIDEAL

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The LIBs cut payments to Ont. because the PC got in, and Harris did what any responsible gov should do, cut costs to try and balance the budget.
Something the NDP...... NEVER have to worry about.

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Here, here.
 

GPIDEAL

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...for the 4th straight time in Manitoba.

Balanced budgets every year!

So why do they get labeled elsewhere as reckless spenders? :confused:
Depends how they balance that budget. Did they increase taxes? Did they cut spending? Did they have to do anything at all? Someone mentioned the revenue from exportation of natural resources (potash comes to mind). If exports were really in the billions, why is there only a balanced budget and not a surplus?
 
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