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sleazure

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If haven't watched the debate last night , watch at least the whole clip on that subject matter. Ron Paul , not the most eloquent slick debater as always, never meant and said that it's ok for letting " that person " die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Am2bWQRNw&feature=player_embedded

I do appreciate what Ron Paul said during the whole debate.


As for the cheering when Blitzer threw that Q, yeah ... it's rather telling.
Yep, if you actually watch the clip, it doesn't quite live up to its billing. Close to the literal description, perhaps, but not nearly as outrageous as it's described to be.
 

james t kirk

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If someone chooses not to pay and then they require care, then they need to pay the bills.
If they can`t pay the bills and they want the care, then seize their assets and garnish their wages to cover as much as possible.

Should taxpayers also cover cheap idiots who travel without health insurance? :rolleyes:
Good point.

The guy declines to buy Health Insurance, so there HAS TO BE some sort of price to be paid. (In the American system.)

I'm not advocating that the guy be put onto an ice flow, but he does need to pay. So, your idea of seizing his assets and garnishing his wages (plus interest and costs) does make a lot of sense.
 

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Good point.

The guy declines to buy Health Insurance, so there HAS TO BE some sort of price to be paid. (In the American system.)

I'm not advocating that the guy be put onto an ice flow, but he does need to pay. So, your idea of seizing his assets and garnishing his wages (plus interest and costs) does make a lot of sense.
Be careful being so reasonable Captain, the twins will soon be calling you and Mailbook, Psychopathic or Sociopathic :rolleyes:
 

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I'm really conflicted about this.

I'm pretty responsible with my spending. I try to follow the tenets of the Millionaire Next Door (google it) and as a result can weather most storms. It annoys the shit out of me when people choose to be extremely irresponsible with their finances and get bailed out by government.

But at the same time, I don't want to live in a society where people are so callous about life and death, where there's no vigorous, thoughtful debate on the subject.

Hmmm. I like Mr. Kirk's suggestion. The only problem is with the American system, health care for situations like this can easily go into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Would he be able to pay off the loan in his lifetime? Would he be able to enjoy life?
 

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The bill for the 8% for every year since he opted out seems the most fair to me. With a government loan if he can't pay it when he recovers. Or he can have the choice to keep the 8% savings over the years and pay instead for the actual cost of his medical issue - he can opt for whichever is less. Of course this situation is why OHIP would never allow one to opt-out of universal health care.
The system could not work with the method you propose.
 

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Good point.

The guy declines to buy Health Insurance, so there HAS TO BE some sort of price to be paid. (In the American system.)

I'm not advocating that the guy be put onto an ice flow, but he does need to pay. So, your idea of seizing his assets and garnishing his wages (plus interest and costs) does make a lot of sense.
Isn't the real solution America joining the rest of the first world in adopting a universal healthcare system?
 

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Isn't the real solution America joining the rest of the first world in adopting a universal healthcare system?
He's being a realist. Since the Great American Depression, there's more wealth inequity, more unemployment, more outsourcing of labour, skyrocketing personal debt due to all of this and the electorate continues to support the GOP and the Tea Party.
 

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Isn't the real solution America joining the rest of the first world in adopting a universal healthcare system?
Sure, and Obama tried, but even his own party would not support him. (He was advocating a government run system and at the same time allowing private insurance just like people have now - which seemed incredibly fair to me.)

The Americans went ape-shit on his ass and started in about "death panels" and shit like that and the culture of fear bought into it hook line and sinker.

Health Care costs in the USA are truly out of control, Universal Health Care would be a good way to control those costs, however, I don't ever see it happening.
 

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Sure, and Obama tried, but even his own party would not support him. (He was advocating a government run system and at the same time allowing private insurance just like people have now - which seemed incredibly fair to me.)

The Americans went ape-shit on his ass and started in about "death panels" and shit like that and the culture of fear bought into it hook line and sinker.

Health Care costs in the USA are truly out of control, Universal Health Care would be a good way to control those costs, however, I don't ever see it happening.
One step at a time. Some of that strange opposition dies off every year, just like gay marriage.

Besides, proper polling shows the majority of Americans are in favour of universal health care.
 

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He's being a realist. Since the Great American Depression, there's more wealth inequity, more unemployment, more outsourcing of labour, skyrocketing personal debt due to all of this and the electorate continues to support the GOP and the Tea Party.
Ah, I was just waiting for the first post like this:

The Conference Board of Canada says income inequality has since the mid-1990s risen more rapidly in Canada than the U.S.A.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...lity-rising-quickly-in-canada/article2163938/
 

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“Are you saying society should just let him die?” Blitzer asked.

The audience responded with shouts of “Yes!”
Pretty much sums up many teabaggers position who obviously care little about family values that most GOPers like to trot out and parrot so much, 6 months before every POTUS election.

Teabaggers know NOTHING and care NOTHING about being your brother's keeper....:rolleyes:
 

Aardvark154

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The majority of Americans are in favour of universal health care.
It depends upon what you ask.

Your statement is I believe true if you mean people believe medical care should be more affordable and everyone should be covered.

It most definately is not true if it means most people like the "Obamacare" legislation they do not.

Nor is it true if by it you mean that most people want a single payer healthcare system.
 

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The Americans went ape-shit on his ass and started in about "death panels" and shit like that and the culture of fear bought into it hook line and sinker.
However, although this is not the way the Canadian Health Care system is run, it certainly is the way the British National Health System is run.
 

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I do love the Americans. Where they cheer the death of their fellows!

Beautiful isn't it?

Brings a tear to my eye. Truly it does!
 

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It most definately is not true if it means most people like the "Obamacare" legislation they do not.
Most Americans definitely say Obamacare didn't go far enough!
They WANTED universal health care and feel Medicare which works fine, should have just been expanded.

Unregulated medical COSTS though out the whole healthcare system ARE the problem not Medicare in itself. Until medical COSTS are controlled and REGULATED, any healthcare system in the USA will fall into bankruptcy!...:Eek:

Right now in the USA the vampires are running the blood banks!
 

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Aardvark154

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I just looked at your article. Yes, it has risen more rapidly in that particular 10 year period, but income inequality in the US is STILL HIGHER according to the article you cite.
But the Canadian House is also made of glass. The argument in actuality merely seems to be over whose glass is slightly more brittle than their neighbors.
 

james t kirk

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However, although this is not the way the Canadian Health Care system is run, it certainly is the way the British National Health System is run.
Oh brother...

Please see the link I posted from Reuters citing a Harvard Study that showed that in 2008 45,000 Americans died due to the fact that they were uninsured.

Then get back to me about "death panels"

I lost both my parents to cancer. I WISH there had been death panels.
 

Aardvark154

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james t kirk;37l02032 said:
Please see the link I posted from Reuters citing a Harvard Study that showed that in 2008 45,000 Americans died due to the fact that they were uninsured.
Yet every hospital in the U.S. is mandated to provide service to anyone who comes through the doors, regardless of their ability to pay.

I lost both my parents to cancer. I WISH there had been death panels.
Not cancer, but I do know what you post of.

However, in the U.K. there have been numerious cases of patients who have been refused treatments which would have been routinely provided in the U.S. on the grounds of cost, likewise patients who have been left to die in the hallway of the hospital waiting for someone to bother to pay attention to them in many of these cases death was entirely preventable.
 

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Well that's quite lovely Danmand and explains so much I'm sure.

Please tell us what is your solution to a hypothetical in which someone who can afford to be insured is uninsured and the rest of society has to pay for them? How is this sort of free will different from Flood Insurance, if "x" does not purchase flood insurance and a disaster occurs should they be paid by the insurance company anyway even though they were uninsured? Their situation also seems tragic to me.

I see Representative Paul's response as rational, that does not mean that I agree with his total libertarian philosophy. May I suggest that if you are so offended, you write to his congressional office and express your feelings. http://www.paul.house.gov/

Further, interesting that no one has compared this to Representative Bachman's remarks about the Texas mandatory HPV vaccination program for sixth grade girls.
So, now to follow the "logic" of the tea party, is someone is overweight, the medical system should not treat him/her for diabetes etc. If someone has smoked, he/she should not be treated for respiratory cancers etc. If someone has been exposing himself to too much sun, then he should not be treated for skin cancers.
The list is endless.
 
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