Yonge-Dundas smackdown Toronto or Riiyadh?
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For some reason, the video doesn't play on my computer but your post backs up my version of the story.
Dateline: August 5, 2011, The Toronto Sun
Michele Mandel's Column on page 5
Apparently, there has been another "honour killing". Shaher Bano Shahdady (21) found dead by her father. The person suspected responsible for her death is her husband Abdul Malik Rustrom (27)
All those who support the wearing of the burka should read Michele's column.
No, you were not uncivil (this time). Yes, you were wrong (again). So, this time you are not as bad as those folks who are often (or always) both uncivil and wrong.
This one?
TORONTO - Another honour killing in our midst and the silence is deafening.
Shaher Bano Shahdady was just 21, a young mother who wanted to live her Canadian life as a free Canadian woman. And for that, she was strangled to death in front of her toddler.
From the Baloch region of Pakistan, she came to Toronto as a little girl. At 14, her father, Mullah Abdul Ghafoor, sent her back to Pakistan to study at a religious fundamentalist madrassa and a few years later she was forced into an arranged marriage with her first cousin.
But her precious son was her ticket back home.
Complications in her pregnancy allowed her to return to Toronto. Her baby was born with a serious heart defect that eventually required a transplant, but at least she was back in Canada. Shahdady was a devoted mother, her friends say, and while she lived with her strict religious family in Scarborough, she managed to escape through Facebook where she chatted with friends and administered a Baloch entertainment page that had 6,000 members.
She began to change, friends say. Shahdady no longer wanted to wear a burka that covered her face and body but would don just the hijab head scarf instead. She’d registered at the Adult Learning Centre to work on etc etc
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/04/deafening-silence-greets-honour-killing
While it was his government that made it policy, it wasn't an idea unique to him. It had been around for ages and was already a widely accepted concept in Canada. It's also not a bad policy..
What's bad about any of that?
Besides which.. Most people here aren't worried about multiple cultures.. They're worried about one culture (albeit with thousands of sub-cultures within it), and it would be the Islamic culture. If you ask me, that sounds racist..
Uh, let me get this straight. You're talking about Islam, which is a totalitarian religion. Then you talk about it as a culture when it isn't. Then you say something sounds racist when no talk of race has been mentioned anywhere in this thread. Man, you're confused!
Racism is just plain stupid. Hating people because they look different is no different than hating people due to their height or shoe size.
However, being concerned about people because the values they hold and the violent way that they express them, even in a country that does not accept them, is not racist, culturist or religionist, if those are actually words. It is a rational response to their imperialist aggression that they can do whatever they want and everybody else must accept it because they believe it is the will of God.
Now if you don't mind, I want to stop typing and return back to checking out Persian Princess's gallery. At least this very unsexy thread has helped me add to my TDL.
Yes, this is the column in the Sun. So sad. The lady was only 21. All she wanted was to be free to do what Western women take for granted.
Holy semantics batman.. Fine, I'll reword.. It is prejudiced to single out those that practice a specific "religion" and identify them as being "Non-Canadian" because of it.
As far as your ranting about "imperialist agression" I'd like to know if you know any Muslims personally? I know many (they seem to gravitate towards the particular industry I'm in), and I can tell you that (just like Christians) there are some who wish the world to bend for them, but most just want to get by in life. Lumping them all in together and forcing the trait of "imperialist aggression" on the lot is prejudice. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Canada is a country not a religion.
Islam is a religion not a country. The religion of Islam is peaceful but becomes bastardized by elements such as:
Nation of Islam (NOL) which is and always has been nothing more than a conduit for organized crime under religious pretense. Al-Qaeda which is a Sunni extremist group operating under the guise of religion but they are nothing more than terrorists involved in jihad with everyone that does not conform to their extremist ways and they do not speak for Islam or Muslims in reality. It's unfortunate that Sunni muslims have over 80% of all Muslims and more that can be influenced to be radical or worse.
These extremist groups such as Al-Qaeda, NOL, KKK, Nazis, Aryan Nation and others take a radical stance and exercise terror onto others.
Islam is a religion and a peaceful one. Muslims are not the enemy. The radicals are.
Muslim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
Muslim-Sunni-Al Qaeda
Catholics-Opus-dei, exorcisms and abuse
Scientology
Aryans, KKK, Supremists, Countries run by dictatorsAll religions have radical sections that commit terrible acts on others.
All religions and hate organizations have radical sections that commit terrible acts on others.
David Menzies is a free-lance writer who positions himself in harms way to get stories and create controversy. It would not be surprising if he took his son to Dundas Square as an excuse to cause a scene. Regardless of him having a Syrian couple as witnesses or not, and they wouldn't know his real intentions nor do I.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/...2237001/wheres-the-common-sense/1092950775001
Why do people immigrate to Canada? Better life, health care, welfare, jobs, education all possible reasons, but wouldn't it be best to embrace your new country that can provide so much good for immigrants. Embrace new traditions, freedoms and opportunities while keeping a balance with old ones in this beautiful country of ours.
As for avxl1003, acceptance and tolerance works both ways. I enjoy learning about new cultures and traditions in an open forum not radical ones. Knowledge is power not radical rhetoric and acceptance is devine. In Austrailia, it's assimilate or go back where you're from; I think there is validity to that concept but possibly harsh wording.
All three parties involved were disrespectful David Menzies, The Muslim Lady & the Police Officer.
I guess no one wants to discuss the murder of Shaher Bano Shahdady (21) and the concept of "honour killings" of Muslim women who fail to obey. Perhaps, too controversial?
Persian Princess, you have accepted and embraced both worlds easily and respectfully for all the right reasons. David Menzies knew what he was doing would cause a scene and that's why he was there to get fifteen minutes of fame he displays:
Disrespect, Intolerance, Prejudism, Ignorance, Arrogance and Self-Righteousness under the guise of being somewhat of a reporter. He put himself and worse his child in danger as he knew there was an Islamic event happening in the area. Maybe someone should call the CAS for his poor decision making as a parent?
Oh, Persian Princess, you seem disappointed, frustrated and perplexed, you need a good HOFfing to decompress and destress
You're right HOF, it was his fault. We should have banned cameras in the square (including police cameras) because there was an Islamic event. Perhaps every non Muslim should have been cordoned off for a couple of blocks to make it more comfortable for them.
What if it was a tourist from small town Canada that was assaulted just because they found the gathering to be culturally interesting and something they wanted to show friends 'back home'? Would they still be "intolerant, arrogant or prejudiced"?
