Women forced into prostitution

wet_suit_one

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How is that with all the claims that so many are forced into prostitution, I hear so very very few of such cases like this one:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2011/06/16/18292711.html

Woman allegedly forced into prostitution
By Rob Lamberti, QMI Agency


TORONTO — Two young men are accused of using fear, intimidation and violence to force a 30-year-old woman to work as a prostitute for them.

But she overcame the terror and when she had a moment alone, she called for help.

Toronto Police say they've got two suspects in custody and are now focusing their efforts in identifying a third while trying to determine if there are any other women victimized by the pack of pimps.

Detectives filed 22 charges related to pimping, firearms and drugs.

The victim was rescued Tuesday from a hotel room when she was able to call a friend, who in turn contacted police.

"They left her unattended and she took the opportunity to call a friend," said Toronto Det. Jason Leitch. "The allegations she made were pretty alarming."

Officers took her from the hotel and then waited for the suspects to appear.

"They were hoping because of the threats they made ... she would just remain compliant and stay there, but she was scared for her safety and her family's safety," he said.

"There's definitely a concern there may be other girls out there."

The suspects used websites to advertise their prostitution service, Leitch said.

All of the money earned by the victim was taken from her, he said.

The victim was being pimped for about two weeks before police rescued her.

Police recovered a firearm with an altered serial number and ammunition in a vehicle and some cocaine.

Charged are Courtney Reece, 19, and Nigel Sobers, 20, both of Toronto.

A third suspect is described as being a male Hispanic, between 20 and 25, about 5-foot-10 with an unshaven appearance.





Surely to God, most women are not so weak, stupid or passive that they can't pick up the phone and call the cops for help in a "forced into prostitution" type situation like the woman in the above story. Heck, the cops even responded and arrested the fuckers who did this to her.

Or am I missing something?

Granted, women that are trafficked in from other countries may not be in such a position, but homegrown Canuck women? Even young girls, I think, many of them would know to call the cops or call for help. Or am I dreaming in technicolor and most 12-17 year old females really are drooling idiots and hide it really well? This despite the fact that I regularly hear about school kids who were subjected to an attempted pick up by strangers and called for help from teachers, parents, other kids etc.

Am I really that dense?
 

oldjones

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All sorts of people with poor judgement get into relationships—family, friendly, neighbourly, at work or elsewhere—with people who use intimidation, fear and violence to get their way. In this aspect, prostitution is no different except for the fact that no one need have the slightest fear of calling the cops on a violent neighbour, but the prostitute's relationship has been defined as criminal by the law. That makes her a co-conspirator at the least and that makes her fear the law. Lotsa TERBidiots still can't grasp that prostitution itself is not illegal. Until we change the law, how does she know what the police will do, or that she isn't in danger from them?
 

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Not to be insulting, but yes, you are.

Like everyone, we all view things through our own world-view frame of reference. Your's assumes that all people in Canada are strong minded enough to fight back.

They aren't.

People are afraid of authority such as their parents, spouses, police, thugs in their neighbourhood and even the police. Now consider the implications of low life pimps with nothing to lose and who may find your soft spot (such as threatening your family or kids through their gang associates etc) and it is easy to intimidate and keep them under your control.

Take it for what it is worth and consider the relationship in this case.

Are the three 19-20 year olds savvy business advisers who use their marketing and organizational skills to enhance the business of a 30 year old woman? Or are they young thugs who know the system and victim will probably work to their advantage?

I find that trying to view these situations from the POV of those involved helps me be less "dense"!
I agree with you and want to add that not only are people afraid of authority, they are often too embarrassed to admit that they are in a bad relationship, much like women who get beaten by their SO.
 

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Granted, women that are trafficked in from other countries may not be in such a position, ...
It is simply not practical to force or threaten an offshore girl to go though the long process involved in immigration, travel, risk & expense, and then pass her off to other local parties and hope she goes through with working as an escort, when there is a ready supply of girls who are anxious to come to Canada and work. The process involved in moving the girl to Canada is simply too long and out in the open, and the risks and expenses are too high.

It seems to be the local girls, like in the OP post, who get somehow manipulated and/or forced into prostitution. Just is not PC, convenient, or fitting with people’s motives to discuss it.
 

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Does anyone really believe that all the asian & east european ladies working in this business are here of their free will?

The world has a dark side, and it is often darker in this business than many others
 

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Does anyone really believe that all the asian & east european ladies working in this business are here of their free will?

The world has a dark side, and it is often darker in this business than many others
depends how you define free will, those who assert there is a big problem here tend to say that women are "forced" to work as prostitutes by economics. When I meet an asian escort who bought fake tits in her home country and then was "trafficked" I tend to think she knew exactly what she was doing.

There are so many women in asia happy to work here as prostitutes that you really do not need to force anyone to do it, unless you think offering them a larger pay check than they could have earned otherwise is "forcing".
 

oldjones

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Does anyone really believe that all the asian & east european ladies working in this business are here of their free will?

The world has a dark side, and it is often darker in this business than many others
Anyone who believes all of any proposition is too gullible to conrribute anything useful to a discussion of it.
 

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Does anyone really believe that all the asian & east european ladies working in this business are here of their free will?

The world has a dark side, and it is often darker in this business than many others
I'd say it's pretty close to "all" if not there. Doing something of your own free will is different than doing something you'd rather not be doing. A woman who has "no choice" but to enter prostitution to pay her rent and buy her food is doing so of her own free will. A woman who's being threatened by another individual with a beating, death, or deprivation unless she sells her body isn't doing it of her own free will. At least, that's where the line is drawn for me.
 

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A woman who has "no choice" but to enter prostitution to pay her rent and buy her food is doing so of her own free will.
I would agree with that. Another analogy would be Russian and Mexican immigrants who clean outside windows in tall buildings. They "choose" to do that so they could put food on the table and a roof over their heads. We can't all be senior partners in a Bay Street law firm making $3 million or more a year.
 

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It is simply not practical to force or threaten an offshore girl to go though the long process involved in immigration, travel, risk & expense, and then pass her off to other local parties and hope she goes through with working as an escort, when there is a ready supply of girls who are anxious to come to Canada and work. The process involved in moving the girl to Canada is simply too long and out in the open, and the risks and expenses are too high.

It seems to be the local girls, like in the OP post, who get somehow manipulated and/or forced into prostitution. Just is not PC, convenient, or fitting with people’s motives to discuss it.
What is happening is a girl comes here but she owes money to whoever facilitated Her arrival (for expences ( visa, passport, ticket) plus profit).
And then she understands that she does not really need to pay it back because he cannot legally enforce this debt.

And then the shit may hit the fan.
 

rhuarc29

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What is happening is a girl comes here but she owes money to whoever facilitated Her arrival (for expences ( visa, passport, ticket) plus profit).
And then she understands that she does not really need to pay it back because he cannot legally enforce this debt.

And then the shit may hit the fan.
If she entered into an agreement that she fully understands (ie We pay for your travel, fees, room and board...in exchange we get X% of your take in), then once again...she exercised free will. On the other hand, if she wasn't fully disclosed and they are forcing her to make good on her side anyway, that's no good.
 

S.C. Joe

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I'm not saying women are never forced in to prostitution but how many later on just claim they were? This way it wasn't all their fault, they were made to do it:rolleyes:

As for this 30 year old getting bossed around by a 19 20 year old, I don't know, would have to meet the people to get a better idea if it was true or not.

Too bad the police didn't get them threating her on video, that would be more believing to me and then I say lock them up and throw away the key.

I wounder how much cocaine she used in those 2 weeks--if any at all, lets do a hair drug test on this victim to see her past drug use--if any.
 

S.C. Joe

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I seen this shit before, the gal uses thousands in cocaine on her own free will --the guys might even be telling her to lay off it and then owes so much money the only way she can earn it is by selling herself...is that forced prostitution...depends on who you ask.
 

wet_suit_one

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So let me understand you. If a woman becomes a drug addict, in addition to that problem, she is now to be considered obliged to be raped by anyone her creditor can get to pay for this rape?

And only video evidence is acceptable to you to prove this? The presence of three young thugs who were found in possession of a handgun and the testimony of the victim is not "believing" enough for you?

Take a few days off TERB and get to know some real people and get your Humanity Meter recalibrated.

Rub, you make a good point.

The thing I don't get is why other women who are supposedly "forced into prostitution" don't make the same stink that this women apparently did? Why was this the FIRST such newsreport that I've ever seen if it is so prevalent?

Is it that such things rarely happen? Is it that the women don't complain (are they crazy? Some losers drag you off the street and force you into prostitution and you don't complain? WTF is that? Are women dumb like I said above or am I missing something?)? What the fuck is going on here?

That being said, when a woman complains of being forced into it, the claims should be properly investigated and pursued criminally if warranted.
 

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Rub, you make a good point.

The thing I don't get is why other women who are supposedly "forced into prostitution" don't make the same stink that this women apparently did? Why was this the FIRST such newsreport that I've ever seen if it is so prevalent?

Is it that such things rarely happen? Is it that the women don't complain (are they crazy? Some losers drag you off the street and force you into prostitution and you don't complain? WTF is that? Are women dumb like I said above or am I missing something?)? What the fuck is going on here?

That being said, when a woman complains of being forced into it, the claims should be properly investigated and pursued criminally if warranted.
It depends on how long they were forced to do something, the longer it takes place the more their resistance breaks down. That is what pimps do, they knock you down then build you up in their image with them in charge. If the woman is also fighting addiction it is easier to control her and keep her in line. The woman in this case was only held for a couple of days, and the thugs either believed that they had a stronger hold over her, or thought that drugs (if used), were going to keep her more docile.
Some women after being found in this situation are too ashamed to come forward and seek help. They feel that part of seeking help will only victimize them again. The way the justice system works these victims are repeatedly asked to give statements and any deviations in their statements are attacked and hammered. The people that are 'helping' them, end up in fact trying to confuse them. They have just decided to break away from a bad situation, have metal and emotional wounds, and may have substance addictions, and everyone wants to badger them. The ladies, like anyone else that is hurt, just want to curl up into a ball and hide.
It is easy for us to judge when we have not been put in their position, and we want to help, we try to do what we think is best without asking the victims themselves what they want. You can only help those that want help in the manner in which they seek it.
 

DocOdd

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lol what an irony. heaps of feminist supporters found on escort board!!
Simone de Beauvoir was pro-prostitution (or at least thought prostitution was a better deal for women than marriage). On the current topic, I've looked at some of the research and I get the definite impression that the reason such stories of forced prostitution are rare is because forced prostitution is rare. Not rare enough, to be sure, but certainly not a significant fraction of the industry.
 

S.C. Joe

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I heard of gals waiting for a guy to pass out and then stealing his drugs--and doing them up herself. One gal I heard 2nd hand that she stoled over $3,000 of coke...she got her front teeth knock out when they found her a few weeks later on and she had no money or drugs.

I seen the gal about a week after...she was so tough, no boo hoo. She went when i asked what happen, Oh yeah some MF hit me in the mouth, that's ok, you really don't need your front teeth anyhow, you chew with your back teeth.

Then she even laughed how not having upper front teeth was nice to give head, hee hee, now I don't have to open my mouth all the way...last time i ever saw her..I heard 2 weeks later on the police locked her up and I thought that is it, fuck Detroit, they all act like wild animals

That gal was working to pay for her drug habit but no way was anybody forcing her...she had a T- shirt once that had, Yo Yo Yo up above her breast and down by her pussy the shirt said.... Good To Get....she was so proud of the shirt, said one of her customers gave it to her.

Now that was in the crack hey day in the late 80's...if she was still alive today--I doubt it but if so, would not surprise me if she was crying how she was forced in to it...but no way, I seen this gal so many times, she liked doing what she did.
 

S.C. Joe

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Fucken 30 year old women are not being forced, not in Toronto..don't hand me that BS. They got their own cell phones--fancier than mine. If they got a major drug problem that they need to earn $500 a day to keep it going ok, maybe so but that is NOT forced prostitution.

I don't need to take time off Terb but I think some people here need to step out in the real world and look what is going on. These women you can not control, they got a mind of their own.

Do they sometimes later on regret fucking for money, I bet. Do they sometimes lie to themselves and believe they were forced when really they were not, I'm sure it happens. Its been shown you can think something happen when nothing ever did..docs have a fancy name for it, I'm just some old punk who just seen too much shit in the real world.

I also know the police stretch the truth sometimes.
 
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