Thanks for pointing out that a raccoon is not a rodent (you beat me to it).
They aren't Big Ben or a giant rat from a Stephen King novel (it's ok to kill those).
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Thanks for pointing out that a raccoon is not a rodent (you beat me to it).
They aren't Big Ben or a giant rat from a Stephen King novel (it's ok to kill those).
Animals for food are killed humanely.Mr. Kirk... before you use a term like "mutually exclusive", you should try to understand what it means. You are correct in stating that there are two issues here... first the hypocrisy of bleeding heart self-professed animal lovers who say there is "no justification" for killing an animal, yet eat meat. that is the first issue. The second and totally unrelated issue (therefore, by definition, not mutually exclusive) is animal rights. Do you get it?
I was trying to point out to Jennifer that she was being hypocritical in her "no justification" statement. So now if we can agree that there might be justification, then where is that justification line? It is very subjective.
I will even go one step further and agree that the way this animal was killed was unfortunate, but what were the options? There were none.
Animals that aren't food and not an immediate threat to ourselves, shouldn't be killed, but if necessary, must be killed humanely.
Therein lies the difference.
When I was a kid I also had squirrel problems ... Mom set up a trap and was able to trap the squirrel. Took the cage with the squirrel and submerged the cage with the squirrel in the bathtub filled with water. Drown the cute furry squirrel critter then proceed to pluck all the fur from the squirrel then cook it by making a delicious stew. We were extremely poor hardly could afford eating meat.... we lived in a run down ghetto building in the city. So is this cruelty to animal what my mom did while she feed a starving family who eat 1 meal a day. I remember going to elementary school hungry without any breakfast many times because we did not have any food..... so you don't see a difference between the humane slaughter of an animal for the purpose of sustenance versus the viscous beating of an animal with a goddamn shovel because someone feels the animal is a pest?
I disagree and I certainly cannot imagine how anyone could beat any living being to death.
When I was a kid there we had a squirrel problem. Dad pulled out the trap, put some peanut butter inside and took the animal to a park.. Problem solved.
Agreed. What the fuck is wrong with people these days? i am totally disgusted with people who think it is justifiable to beat an animal because it needs to eat. What did you think would happen when we keep taking their habitat away from them? Well DUUUHHHH!!!!!!!! And to beat the babies with a shovel? The babies do not pose any sort of risk unless they have rabies. There are many humane options to deal with this type of situation. Just cannot fuck'n believe the lack of morals these days.If you don't see bludgeoning a raccoon with a shovel as an issue you're probably the type who doesn't see a problem with putting out bear traps for stray dogs or leaving some antifreeze out for those pesky cats that shit in gardens.
Not really. I've seen a documentary about it. Couldn't eat meat for a while after it.Animals for food are killed humanely.
Watch any of those undercover videos put out by PETA.Animals for food are killed humanely.
Well, at least not with a shovel.Not really. I've seen a documentary about it. Couldn't eat meat for a while after it.
not to defend the other guy but isn't your handle Terminator?the guy probably has an entire collection of guns in his basement cellar. Sniper guns, handguns, machineguns.
and he actually gets a thrill and genuinely enjoys killing.
id wager 50 bucks this is a true fact.
I dunno. The sadist used a shovel.not to defend the other guy but isn't your handle Terminator?
No sorry, but I didn't agree with what Terminator said in his quote about 'the guy' having guns, otherwise he would've used one.are you terminator?
then you should have quoted terminator. otherwise your post makes no senseNo sorry, but I didn't agree with what Terminator said in his quote about 'the guy' having guns, otherwise he would've used one.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that posters are divided along previously delineated left/right positions. The right is more concerned with individual rights and property rights. The left is more concerned with suffering of others, whether human or animal.
There have been some very good points made, and some rather outlandish ones as well. I don't really have anything new to add to the discussion, but I did find a couple of earlier posts to be amusing.
There have been some very good points made, and some rather outlandish ones as well. I don't really have anything new to add to the discussion, but I did find a couple of earlier posts to be amusing.
Fuji, unconvinced by the points of another. ROFL. Has he ever been convinced by the points of another?It's certainly the law. I'm not convinced, though. Animals don't have any rights. On the other hand, I understand the argument that someone who is cruel to animals may eventually be cruel to people. Still, I'm unconvinced.
Amusing point, but I doubt it veracity. LOLI know it's a complex issue for you, but if you think real hard, you might get it.
It is not killing the raccoons it is how he attempted to kill the raccoons.Don't get me wrong.... I'm not suggesting that it be open season on raccoons or squirrels or rabbits. All I'm saying is that it is unfair to place criminal charges against this man for killing these raccoons. To me, that is just common sense. And, i suspect that when this does get to court, it will be seen for the travesty that it is and it will be thrown out.
It has about no chance of being dismissed. The sentence, however, is likely to be a fine rather than incarceration.
I suppose I could live with giving the guy a fine. I just don't think it's right that he ends up with a criminal record as a result of this incident. The whole thing seems surreal to me... the neighbour calls 911 ... 3 cops cars arrive, sirens blazing... the man taken away in handcuffs... criminal charges laid... What does all of this cost us as tax payers? One thing that seems to have escaped everyone's attention is the behaviour of the neighbour in this matter. Should he have dialled 911? Isn't that an incredible waste of emergency response resources? I personally think he should be charged and fined. Where does this stop? Will it be OK I call 911 the next time I see someone trying to kill a snake in their garden with a shovel? Or kill a mouse with a hockey stick?It is not killing the raccoons it is how he attempted to kill the raccoons.
It has about no chance of being dismissed. The sentence, however, is likely to be a fine rather than incarceration.
Christ! I cannot believe the divide between those of us who live with nature on a daily basis and those who live in situations where they rarely see nature. We have a serious deer problem in the area I live. In the winter time when the roads are ice or snow covered the general rule is this. If a deer runs out in front of your car you hit the deer. You do not swerve to avoid it you hit it. If you try to avoid the deer by hitting the brakes or swerving around the deer it generally means you and your vehicle end up in a ditch, hitting a tree, or a hydro pole.
It is getting to the point where deer because of their growing numbers are becoming pests. Do we hit them because we consider them pests and enjoy killing them? No. We hit them because trying to avoid them puts our lives in danger. If "city" folk can't get their collective heads around this I would suggest not moving to the boonies. I hear this same crap from people who can't understand why some of us fishermen catch fish and then release them. Some city folk and PETA members consider this "cruel". Some city folk are horrified when someone suggests a culling of the wild Geese along Toronto's lakeshore. Country folk consider this to be a sane thing to do. Different strokes for different folks. Now I have to go and feed the cattle. Cheers GB
It is getting to the point where deer because of their growing numbers are becoming pests. Do we hit them because we consider them pests and enjoy killing them? No. We hit them because trying to avoid them puts our lives in danger. If "city" folk can't get their collective heads around this I would suggest not moving to the boonies. I hear this same crap from people who can't understand why some of us fishermen catch fish and then release them. Some city folk and PETA members consider this "cruel". Some city folk are horrified when someone suggests a culling of the wild Geese along Toronto's lakeshore. Country folk consider this to be a sane thing to do. Different strokes for different folks. Now I have to go and feed the cattle. Cheers GB
Geeeesh, and in one breath too, but all good points.Christ! I cannot believe the divide between those of us who live with nature on a daily basis and those who live in situations where they rarely see nature. We have a serious deer problem in the area I live. In the winter time when the roads are ice or snow covered the general rule is this. If a deer runs out in front of your car you hit the deer. You do not swerve to avoid it you hit it. If you try to avoid the deer by hitting the brakes or swerving around the deer it generally means you and your vehicle end up in a ditch, hitting a tree, or a hydro pole.
It is getting to the point where deer because of their growing numbers are becoming pests. Do we hit them because we consider them pests and enjoy killing them? No. We hit them because trying to avoid them puts our lives in danger. If "city" folk can't get their collective heads around this I would suggest not moving to the boonies. I hear this same crap from people who can't understand why some of us fishermen catch fish and then release them. Some city folk and PETA members consider this "cruel". Some city folk are horrified when someone suggests a culling of the wild Geese along Toronto's lakeshore. Country folk consider this to be a sane thing to do. Different strokes for different folks. Now I have to go and feed the cattle. Cheers GB
Excellent points GB, however, you must drive a lot heavier vehicle than I, deer can really screw-up a car, hence I will brake, but I will agree if even with ABS I start to skid or it is a choice between the deer and a tree or a pole - the deer is going to have the "short straw". Now a Moose on the other hand is more a dicy proposition.Christ! I cannot believe the divide between those of us who live with nature on a daily basis and those who live in situations where they rarely see nature. We have a serious deer problem in the area I live. In the winter time when the roads are ice or snow covered the general rule is this. If a deer runs out in front of your car you hit the deer. You do not swerve to avoid it you hit it. If you try to avoid the deer by hitting the brakes or swerving around the deer it generally means you and your vehicle end up in a ditch, hitting a tree, or a hydro pole.
It is getting to the point where deer because of their growing numbers are becoming pests. Do we hit them because we consider them pests and enjoy killing them? No. We hit them because trying to avoid them puts our lives in danger. If "city" folk can't get their collective heads around this I would suggest not moving to the boonies.
Yep, hit a Moose and your Goose is cooked. Christ, I killed two of them in one sentence!Excellent points GB, however, you must drive a lot heavier vehicle than I, deer can really screw-up a car, hence I will brake, but I will agree if even with ABS I start to skid or it is a choice between the deer and a tree or a pole - the deer is going to have the "short straw". Now a Moose on the other hand is more a dicy proposition.
Those kind punishing remarks should sent to that 'other' thread, but we forgive you. I've never hit a moose but have seen the damage done to a transport cab. I shutter to think, but i've clipped a deer a night, as he wasn't fast enough. As this was before cell phone, i got a local farmer to call the MNR who weren't pleased to be called out at night. By the time they got there, the farmers dogs found the doe and the farmer carried to the roadside. The doe didn't live, but don't ask for details.Yep, hit a Moose and your Goose is cooked. Christ, I killed two of them in one sentence!
