Pakistan attempted to interdict the US force that hit OBL

[fuji]

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/988045--pakistani-pm-denies-hiding-bin-laden?bn=1

The Pakistani military scrambled F-16 fighters and sent forces to bin Laden’s compound as soon as they were aware of the raid, said Gilani. Even though they were unable to interdict U.S. forces before they were on their way back to Afghanistan, he expressed confidence in their performance.

Our response demonstrates that our armed forces reacted, as was expected of them,” said Gilani.

He warned the U.S. against launching future such attacks, saying “unilateralism runs the inherent risk of serious consequences.”

“Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force,” said Gilani. “No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland.”

For those who continue to labour under the mistaken impression that the US action was "legal", Pakistan attempted to interdict it, and says that future such incursions will be met with "full force".

From those who believe the raid was legal I'd like to know under what theory of law they believe the US can arbitrarily violate Pakistani sovereignty.

 

[Malibook]

Pakistan should be more concerned about how high up the Osama support network reached and how much can be uncovered.

Why didn't Pakistan take OBL into custody and hand him over to the US?
Are they incompetent or complicit?

Pakistan has deep ties with the Taliban and they need to make their supposed choice more clear cut.
Why did Pakistan suddenly supposedly turn on the Taliban?
There is no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbour them.
It was self-preservation.

 

[blackrock13]

Pakistan should be more concerned about how high up the Osama support network reached and how much can be uncovered.

Why didn't Pakistan take OBL into custody and hand him over to the US?
Are they incompetent or complicit?

Pakistan has deep ties with the Taliban and they need to make their supposed choice more clear cut.
Why did Pakistan suddenly supposedly turn on the Taliban?
There is no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbour them.
It was self-preservation.

The last time the US told the P'stan government they were coming to capture one of the masterminds of 9/11, he immediately left the country.

Hmmmm!

 

[Aardvark154]

Pakistan should be more concerned about how high up the Osama support network reached and how much can be uncovered.

+ 1

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[fuji]

Pakistan should be more concerned about how high up the Osama support network reached and how much can be uncovered.

Why didn't Pakistan take OBL into custody and hand him over to the US?
Are they incompetent or complicit?

Pakistan has deep ties with the Taliban and they need to make their supposed choice more clear cut.
Why did Pakistan suddenly supposedly turn on the Taliban?
There is no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbour them.
It was self-preservation.

True, but none of that makes the u.s. violation of pakistani sovereignty legal.

 

[Malibook]

The last time the US told the P'stan government they were coming to capture one of the masterminds of 9/11, he immediately left the country.

Hmmmm!

The US tried to take out OBL after the embassy bombings, before 9/11 under Clinton.
The problem was that the cruise missiles had to travel over Pakistan but the US didn't want to accidentally start a war between Pakistan and India so they felt that they had to inform Pakistan.
Someone was sent to Pakistan to tell them at the last minute as the missiles were flying over but the suspicion is that there was still plenty of time for OBL to be warned and the attack failed.

If the US had told Pakistan to investigate Osama's house, anybody who thinks that OBL would have likely been captured or killed is a naive idiot.

 

[fuji]

If the US had told Pakistan to investigate Osama's house, anybody who thinks that OBL would have likely been captured or killed is a naive idiot.

That's possible, but it does not make the operation legal. It's still an unlawful violation of pakistani sovereignty.

 

[Damondean]

Themain thing is that they killed the S.O.B.!

 

[Malibook]

That's possible, but it does not make the operation legal. It's still an unlawful violation of pakistani sovereignty.

Be that as it may, one could argue that they brought it on themselves and it was justified.

To me this is akin to a cop who has a hunch on Paul Bernardo and he conducts an illegal stop and search of his car and finds Kristen French tied up in the trunk and saves her life.
And then some delusional idiot repeatedly harps about the illegal search.

 

[fuji]

OK. So for clarity, we have agreed that the US operation was an illegal violation of international law.

 

[onthebottom]

OK, I'll say this upfront, I'm not a lawyer.

Isn't the only real legal jurisdiction a national one, i.e. the US is governed only by US law? While citizens of the US can be judged by other laws when in other jurisdictions cannot the US government only be judged by US law?

If this is true, I'm not sure it is but I suspect so, wouldn't the Justice Department and US courts be the last word on this?

OTB

 

[Aardvark154]

And then some delusional idiot repeatedly harps about the [not illegal] search.

+1 as amended.

 

[danmand]

OK, I'll say this upfront, I'm not a lawyer.

Isn't the only real legal jurisdiction a national one, i.e. the US is governed only by US law? While citizens of the US can be judged by other laws when in other jurisdictions cannot the US government only be judged by US law?

If this is true, I'm not sure it is but I suspect so, wouldn't the Justice Department and US courts be the last word on this?

OTB

I believe this was one of the defenses of the defendants during the Nuremberg trials. t

 

[fuji]

Isn't the only real legal jurisdiction a national one, i.e. the US is governed only by US law?

Not if the Pakistani military had successfully interdicted and captured the SEAL team.

 

[onthebottom]

I believe this was one of the defenses of the defendants during the Nuremberg trials. t

So Obama is Hitler?

I think your hyperbole is working overtime

OTB

 

[Aardvark154]

Isn't the only real legal jurisdiction a national one

Don't worry Fuji and Danmand can give much better advice than the scores of lawyers around the White House, Department of Justice, Department of Defense, Office of National Intelligence etc. . .

 

[onthebottom]

Looks like they were equally incompetent at that.....

OTB

 

[fuji]

Don't worry Fuji and Danmand can give much better advice than the scores of lawyers around the White House, Department of Justice, Department of Defense, Office of National Intelligence etc. . .

Are you actually going to try and pretend that it was a legal operation? That it was not a violation of Pakistani sovereignty, despite Pakistan's claims that it was?

 

[Aardvark154]

I believe this was one of the defenses of the defendants during the Nuremberg trials.

I thought you just said that OBL and Reinhard T.E. Heydrich were incabable of comparison.

 

[Aardvark154]

Are you actually going to try and pretend that it was a legal operation? That it was not a violation of Pakistani sovereignty, despite Pakistan's claims that it was?

You don't think the Pakistani's are currently "paddling like fuck" and hoping that the U.S. doesn't withhold part of the aid upon which they depend to keep themselves afloat as it is the U.K. has already made noises about withholding its aid. The Pakistani's have been caught out and they are unhappy as Hell.