I checked a number of reports and in one of them it stated that it may have been a group home for problem youngsters. We won't know more until a fuller report is released.
RCMP shock 11-year-old with stun gun
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It is always hard to get good info on YO cases due to the confidentiality provisions of the CCC.
I am not a big fan of Tazers. I think they have not been properly tested and are too dangerous for general use. IT would be interesting to see what science there is, if any, about the safety of their use on children. I would be surprised if there was any.
I am not a big fan of Tazers. I think they have not been properly tested and are too dangerous for general use. IT would be interesting to see what science there is, if any, about the safety of their use on children. I would be surprised if there was any.
Obviously, an eleven year old boy constitutes the type of threat that multiple big strong police officers cannot subdue without resorting to (near) deadly force.
Right.
Right.
I wonder how would science go about collecting data for analysisIT would be interesting to see what science there is, if any, about the safety of their use on children.
IIRC correctly a lot of the original test data from Tazers came from shocking pigs or pig corpses.I wonder how would science go about collecting data for analysis
Perhaps smaller or younger pigs?
But honestly don't know.
+1 Well said.Obviously, an eleven year old boy constitutes the type of threat that multiple big strong police officers cannot subdue without resorting to (near) deadly force.
Right.
Maybe you should re-read the very limited reports we have so far. From what I have seen, the child wasn't stabbing anyone when the RCMP arrived - he was next door. He came out of the house - with or without a weapon, I expect we'll find out later - and he was zapped. From what I have read, the RCMP weren't protecting anyone from imminent harm.We'll have to wait for the facts to come out of course, but based on the info we have so far, I am prepared to withhold a negative judgment on the cops tazering an 11 year old. If that 11 year old is stabbing someone, it's the cops JOB to protect the innocent. Of course they should have tazered him. DUH! It doesn't matter that he can't be charged.
If you don't like the fact that a child can't be charged with a crime, send a letter to the PM. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.WTF are people thinking? A child under twelve can kill anyone they want with a gun because the child can't be charged with murder? WTF? Of course the cops can stop that child up to and including deadly force to protect someone else's life. DUH!
The Canadian Press
PRINCE GEORGE, B.C.—RCMP have used a stun gun to subdue an 11-year-old boy after a stabbing in Prince George, B.C.
Police say they shocked the child, who was the suspect in the attack, after he emerged from a home.
The incident began when RCMP arrived at another home around 5:30 p.m. Thursday to investigate a 9-1-1 call reporting a stabbing.
They found a wounded 37-year-old man and he was rushed to hospital while officers searched for the young suspect.
Police found the boy next door and say he was taken into custody and transported to hospital for assessment after an officer deployed the conducted energy weapon.
West Vancouver Police have been called in to conduct an independent investigation, where they will review police response and actions surrounding the use of the stun gun.
The victim of the stabbing is in good condition in hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, while there is no word on the condition of the suspect.
The article doesn't say how many times the victim was stabbed; it says the victim is 37 years old.
There is no indication that the suspect was or wasn't violent toward police. In fact, the article is misleading. It doesn't inform as to why the suspect was in the home next door or how the suspect emerged (peacefully or violently or armed/unarmed) The article doesn't state the home could be a group home or treatment centre.
There are specific provisions in the YCJA and CFSA (of each Province) where a child under 12 can be admitted to a locked facility such as a mental health unit of a hospital or young offender centre. The child under 12 would have to be housed and staffed away from anyone over 12. This emergency admission to a locked setting is up to a judge, with consent of local child service agencies for the safety and security of the public, the victim and the suspect.
The Canadian Press did a poor job of communicating information. In scene 9, the cop says, "May 29, you turn 12!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mjV3nEPOV0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrS9RQTz2ic&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1wEBoOOHIM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyW5ZfkO9tU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioa1WkNYpY4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajRxWiIfFeQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vA_UPItNY&feature=related
The 2 missing links had the sound cut.
This film is from 1995, and it's just gotten worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Criminals_(film)
PRINCE GEORGE, B.C.—RCMP have used a stun gun to subdue an 11-year-old boy after a stabbing in Prince George, B.C.
Police say they shocked the child, who was the suspect in the attack, after he emerged from a home.
The incident began when RCMP arrived at another home around 5:30 p.m. Thursday to investigate a 9-1-1 call reporting a stabbing.
They found a wounded 37-year-old man and he was rushed to hospital while officers searched for the young suspect.
Police found the boy next door and say he was taken into custody and transported to hospital for assessment after an officer deployed the conducted energy weapon.
West Vancouver Police have been called in to conduct an independent investigation, where they will review police response and actions surrounding the use of the stun gun.
The victim of the stabbing is in good condition in hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, while there is no word on the condition of the suspect.
The article doesn't say how many times the victim was stabbed; it says the victim is 37 years old.
There is no indication that the suspect was or wasn't violent toward police. In fact, the article is misleading. It doesn't inform as to why the suspect was in the home next door or how the suspect emerged (peacefully or violently or armed/unarmed) The article doesn't state the home could be a group home or treatment centre.
There are specific provisions in the YCJA and CFSA (of each Province) where a child under 12 can be admitted to a locked facility such as a mental health unit of a hospital or young offender centre. The child under 12 would have to be housed and staffed away from anyone over 12. This emergency admission to a locked setting is up to a judge, with consent of local child service agencies for the safety and security of the public, the victim and the suspect.
The Canadian Press did a poor job of communicating information. In scene 9, the cop says, "May 29, you turn 12!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mjV3nEPOV0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrS9RQTz2ic&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1wEBoOOHIM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyW5ZfkO9tU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioa1WkNYpY4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajRxWiIfFeQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vA_UPItNY&feature=related
The 2 missing links had the sound cut.
This film is from 1995, and it's just gotten worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Criminals_(film)
If it turns out that the kid did NOT have the knife on him when he was shocked, or that he wasn't rushing towards the police, or in any other way an immediate threat to anyone, then there will be hell to pay.
If he was actually holding the knife and threatening people with it that's a whole different story. You can say big strong policemen should be able to subdue him, and you're probably right, but how many slashes to your face, and possibly your neck, would YOU be willing to endure in order to prove that?
Basically we don't have enough information to know whether this is a case of "what the fuck were they thinking" or a case of "unfortunate job well done".
If he was actually holding the knife and threatening people with it that's a whole different story. You can say big strong policemen should be able to subdue him, and you're probably right, but how many slashes to your face, and possibly your neck, would YOU be willing to endure in order to prove that?
Basically we don't have enough information to know whether this is a case of "what the fuck were they thinking" or a case of "unfortunate job well done".
An eleven-year-old can shoot or stab you just as well as an eighteen-year-old. We do not yet have the details, but if the eleven year old refuses to comply with commands (such as show me your hands) you think police should risk being stabbed merely because he is eleven? I don't believe ones widow or children will really care that the person who murdered you was eleven rather than eighteen.Obviously, an eleven year old boy constitutes the type of threat that multiple big strong police officers cannot subdue without resorting to (near) deadly force.
Right.
What happen to tough cops. How strong is an 11 year old? What ill health effects of being shock at such a young age will become of this? It can not be healthy for the heart and nervous system. More unnecessary use of force is still going on, how nice. No change happens, even when people have died in the past. Shock first, ask questions later. Any wimp can be a cop today
Could you be a cop?What happen to tough cops. How strong is an 11 year old? What ill health effects of being shock at such a young age will become of this? It can not be healthy for the heart and nervous system. More unnecessary use of force is still going on, how nice. No change happens, even when people have died in the past. Shock first, ask questions later. Any wimp can be a cop today
We have no knowledge if this 11 year was cooperative or violent. In addition, we don't know the size of this 11 year old or the psychosocial issues involved. The officer involved has been placed on modified desk duty, which is standard.
Shock first or would you have preferred Shoot first, remember they're trained to shoot centre mass! When collapsable batons or pepper spray can be used that should be the way to go. Hand to hand combat could have happened in this scenario too.
LittleJoe, you should watch the video clips I posted.
i look at this from another perspective....we are all speculating as to what happened..and.whether an 11 yr ols boy should be tasered...but what gets me is the RCMP, have asked the Vancouver cops to investigate....ya where have we seen this before..cops investigating cops...dont like that idea..an independent civilain body should be investigating..imo
